How Long Must the Rocket Fire to Accelerate the Space Platform?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a space platform that needs to accelerate from a specific initial velocity to a final velocity due to the thrust of a rocket. The participants are exploring the necessary time for the rocket to fire to achieve this acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the use of Newton's Second Law and the relationship between force, mass, and acceleration. There are attempts to isolate acceleration from the force equation, and some participants suggest alternative methods involving momentum and impulse.

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The discussion is active with various approaches being explored. Some participants provide insights into different methods of understanding force and acceleration, while others express uncertainty about certain concepts. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive directions have been suggested.

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Some participants indicate a lack of familiarity with certain concepts, such as the relationship between force and momentum, and the use of calculus in this context. This suggests that there may be gaps in the foundational knowledge necessary to fully engage with the problem.

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Homework Statement


A 4.50x10^5kg space platform is speeding up from 2.300x10^3m/s to 2.600x10^3mls because a rocket fires with a thrust of 138kN in space. How long must the rock fire to do this?


Homework Equations


F=ma
F=ma+mg


The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to find acceleration so I could find the time.
I have attempted to use the equation F=ma+mg to isolate for a but could not.
 
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hi sph! welcome to pf! :smile:

(you don't need the acceleration)

force x distance = change in … ?

force x time = change in … ? :wink:
 
sorry, I am not familiar with this. I have learned to use the kinematics equations though.
 
have you done force = rate of change of … ?
 
no, I haven't learned that yet either.
 
Even though I believe that tiny-tim's method would solve your problem quicker it seems that you haven't learned that way of looking at Force yet (which ironically enough is actually how Newton originally came up with the second law).

The other method involves just using Newton's Second Law of Motion Sum of all F = ma. You have the mass, the force, so what must the acceleration be? Once you find the acceleration just try to remember the definition of average acceleration and see what you can do from there. Good luck!
 
Thanks! amazing answer by an amazing person. Also thanks for letting me know what I am missing out on.
 
Thank you for such a kind answer! I was nervous to post since this was my first post.

By the way the other method that Tiny Tim was referring to was the definition of Force that Newton originally identified.
Force = change in momentum over change in time. So Force can also be looked at as the derivative of momentum with respect to time (if you have gotten to calculus yet).
 
I am definitely going to ask my teacher about this! thank you once again and good luck with your future posts!
 
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Hi Polishstudent! Welcome to PF! :smile:
Polishstudent said:
… the other method that Tiny Tim was referring to was the definition of Force that Newton originally identified.
Force = change in momentum over change in time. So Force can also be looked at as the derivative of momentum with respect to time (if you have gotten to calculus yet).

sph, that's completely correct

and if you haven't done calculus (yet), the following applies if the force is constant …

force x time = impulse = total change in momentum

force x distance (strictly, force "dot" displacement) = work done = total change in mechanical energy :wink:
 

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