How Loud Are Seven Clarinets Compared to One?

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The problem involves calculating the sound intensity of seven clarinets playing simultaneously, given that one clarinet produces a sound level of 60 dB. The discussion centers around the relationship between sound level in decibels (dB) and sound intensity, as well as the relevant equations to apply.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the equation B=(10dB)log(I/Io) and how to adapt it for multiple clarinets. There are attempts to express the intensity of seven clarinets in terms of the intensity of one clarinet.

Discussion Status

Several participants are exploring different ways to manipulate the equations to find the new intensity level. There is a mix of confusion regarding the values of I and Io, and some participants are seeking clarification on the definitions and the steps needed to solve for the intensity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential complexity due to the presence of multiple variables and the need for a standard reference value for Io, which is identified as the threshold of human hearing. There is also a request for clearer explanations due to previous typos in responses.

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Homework Statement


if one clarinet is playing a note at a sound level of 60 dB, what is the sound intensity of 7 clarinets playing identically at one time?

Homework Equations


is B=(10dB)log(I/Io) relevant to this?


The Attempt at a Solution


I just need to be pointed in the right direction, but its going to take some pretty obvious hints because I'm brand new to physics.

Thanks ahead of time.

Wade
 
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In place of I put 7I write another equation. Compare two equation to find the new intensity level.
 
so I should put this:

B=(10dB)log(I/Io)

B=(10dB)log(7I/Io)

so is it 60=(10dB)log(7I/1)??
 
wadesweatt said:
so I should put this:

B=(10dB)log(I/Io)

B=(10dB)log(7I/Io)

so is it 60=(10dB)log(7I/1)??
No.
60=(10dB)log(I/Io)...(1)
B=(10dB)log(7I/Io)...(2)
From equations 1 and 2 find B
 
I'm a little confused about how to do it? baby steps please?
 
OK.
You can the eq. 2 as
B = 10dBlog(I/Io) + 10dBlog7
Now solve for B
Or
From equation find I using Io value. Then find intensity level for 7I
 
what is the Io value? is that some standard value that I am missing?

Maybe that's why this is so difficult...it seems like there are too many variables...
 
rl.bhat said:
B = 10dBlog(I/Io) + 10dBlog7
Now solve for B

Would you explain how to solve for B when you don't know the value for I or Io? Also, the question asks for the intensity...so why am I solving for B? and also, isn't B 60?
 
Find the definition of dB.
 
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wadesweatt said:
Would you explain how to solve for B when you don't know the value for I or Io? Also, the question asks for the intensity...so why am I solving for B? and also, isn't B 60?

Then you can do this way.

From equation find I using Io value. Then find intensity of seven clarinets
 
  • #11
rl.bhat said:
Then you can do this way.

From equation find I using Io value. Then find intensity of seven clarinets


You basically said this already. Is there anything else you can tell me? I looked up the definition for dB and it is basically the equation I have given to begin with. Still not sure how to get Io, or where to put the 60 in order to find the intensity like the problem asks. Please be clear, some of your answers have had typos and it makes it pretty hard to understand.

thanks again.
 
  • #12
B=(10dB)log(I/Io)
In the given problem B = 60 dB.
According to definition of intensity level Io is equal to 10^-12 W/m^2, threshold of human hearing. Here logarithm is taken to base 10.
 

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