Combining two different sound intensities

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The discussion revolves around combining two different sound intensities, specifically focusing on sound intensity levels measured in decibels (dB). The original poster presents a fixed sound intensity level of 70 dB and a varying intensity level that takes on values of 50, 60, 70, 80, and 90 dB. The problem includes calculating the combined sound level and making a general statement about the relationship between two sound levels when one is significantly stronger than the other.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the correct application of the formula for sound intensity levels and question the original poster's approach to combining the levels. There is confusion about whether to add or divide the intensity levels and how to properly use the reference intensity in calculations.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the formula for sound intensity levels and the correct interpretation of the variables involved. There is ongoing exploration of how to derive the total intensity from individual intensities, and participants are questioning the necessity of knowing the reference intensity.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of sound intensity calculations, including the logarithmic nature of the decibel scale and the implications of combining different sound levels. There is a focus on ensuring correct mathematical relationships are applied without resolving the specific calculations.

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Consider a fixed sound of intensity level SIL1 = 70 dB and another (of different frequency) whose intensity level takes on the series of values SIL2 = 50, 60, 70, 80 and 90 dB.
(a) To the nearest dB, what is the level of the combined sound in each case?
(b) Make a general statement about the combined level for any two sounds when one is much stronger than the other.

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SIL=10log(I/Io)

I tried to do SIL=10log(70+50) for the first one, but I don't think that's right. Do you divide them instead?
 
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##70\text{dB} = 10\log(I_1/I_0)##
##50\text{dB} = 10\log(I_2/I_0)##
... and so on. Do you see where you are going wrong?
 
No, your equations don't seem to make sense to me...?
 
Definition of "decibels":

SIL=10log(I/Io) is what you wrote down. Make sure you understand this relation.

SIL is the decibel intensity level.
I is the actual sound intensity.
I0 is some reference intensity.
When you wrote SIL=10log(70+50) you put the decibel levels inside the log where actual intensities go.

Thus, SIL1=70dB implies a sound intensity of I so that 70dB=10log(I/I0).
 
okay yes that makes much more sense, but how do I solve it? Do i replace Io with the W/m^2 number? Ex for 70dB=10log(I1/Io) : Io-10^-12 and I=10^-5?
and then just add the two answers together to create the combined sound in each case?
 
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From the definition of SLI:##SLI_{tot}=10\log(I_{tot}/I_0)##
You need to know how to get the total intensity from the individual intensities.

What you have to do then, is derive the relation that gives you ##SLI_{tot}## in terms of ##SLI_1## and ##SLI_2##. I mean - in general. Just do the algebra first, then put the numbers in.

Does it matter if you don't know what ##I_0## is?
 

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