How Magnetic Flux Causes Load on Generators

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the question of what causes an increase in torque requirement on a generator as electrical demand increases. Participants explore the relationship between magnetic flux, electrical resistance, and the mechanics of generators and motors, touching on concepts from physics and electrical engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a generator requires more torque to spin as electrical demand increases, suggesting that it seems rational for the torque requirement to remain constant regardless of load.
  • Another participant attributes the "demand" on the generator to electrical resistance in the circuit, which limits current and creates drag through eddy currents.
  • It is noted that motors and generators are fundamentally the same device, with the output of a motor increasing with input power, implying a relationship between mechanical and electrical forces.
  • A participant mentions conservation of energy, stating that one cannot extract more electrical energy from a generator than the mechanical energy supplied, thus requiring more input power with increased load.
  • One participant confirms that an increase in magnetic flux caused by the windings of the generator opposes the rotor's magnetic field.
  • A layman explains that when there is no resistance, the generator spins freely, but applying a load creates a mismatch in the motion of magnetic field lines and generator wires, resulting in a force that slows the generator down.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanics of generators and the factors influencing torque requirements. There is no consensus on a single explanation, and multiple competing views remain regarding the underlying physics.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on assumptions about the behavior of electrical circuits and magnetic fields, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the exact mechanisms at play in the interaction between load and torque in generators.

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this might have been answer before. Question is, what in physics or chemistry creates a load on a generator when the demand increases. For example, If no lights are turned on connected to a generator, it will spin freely. but the more lights are turned on the harder is to spin the generator.
What causes this increase in torque requirement. for example the windings in the generator can be mounted in the stator. it doesn't even touch the rotor. so why the increase in torque required to spin the generator as the load demand increases. what causes it?
is it an increase in magnetic flux caused by the windings of the generator that oppose the magnetic field of the rotor?
for someone that doesn't understand physics, it would be rational that the spinning torque required shouldn't change regardless of the electrical demand on the generator.
thank you,
 
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Read a bit of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current

The "demand" on the generator has to do with the electrical resistance in the circuit. Limiting the current flowing and thus the "drag" created by eddy currents.

This is my lamens explanation as I understand it.
 
A generator and a motor are the same device. Why does the motor output increase when you increase the input power (torque, rpm, whatever)?

The simple answer is that motors and generators push and pull electrons through wires, which is both a physical and electrical force.
 
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One answer it that it has to be so in order to satisfy conservation of energy. You can't get more electrical energy out of a generator than the mechanical energy you put in. So if you draw more power out by increasing the load it's only reasonable you will have to supply more input power.
 
Elmo Lopez said:
is it an increase in magnetic flux caused by the windings of the generator that oppose the magnetic field of the rotor?
Yes!
 
Remember that in order to have a magnetic force you have to have a wire moving through a magnetic field, breaking the magnetic field lines (or the opposite, thus magnetic field lines moving and breaking through the wire). When there's no resistance in the circuit then the generator pushes the electrons and they just start flowing at whatever speed the generator is asking them to flow, the motion of the magnetic field lines and the wires in the generator get synced up, there's no forces developed and the generator just kind of spins with the current or the current flows with the spin of the generator...whichever way you prefer to look at it.

Apply a load and it will push back on the current, slowing it down. Now there's a mismatch in the motion of the magnetic field lines and the generator wires, the magnetic field lines get broken by the generator, and you get a force that tends to slow the generator down.

I'm kind of a layman and it's been a while since I looked at electric circuits, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
 

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