How many bonds and pi bonds does glycine have?

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The discussion revolves around the molecular structure of glycine, focusing on the hybridization of atoms, the total number of bonds, and the identification of pi bonds. Participants explore these concepts through questions and clarifications related to molecular orbital theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the hybridizations of the nitrogen and carbon atoms in glycine as sp3, sp3, and sp2.
  • Another participant suggests counting double bonds as two when determining the total number of bonds in the molecule.
  • A participant initially claims that glycine has 10 total bonds but later questions their counting method.
  • There is a discussion about the existence of a pi bond between carbon and oxygen, with one participant asserting that the pi bond arises from the overlap of unhybridized p orbitals, while another clarifies that the orbitals holding lone pairs on oxygen are hybridized sp2 orbitals.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the presence of leftover p orbitals after hybridization, questioning the implications of sp2 hybridization.

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Participants express differing views on the counting of bonds and the nature of pi bonds in glycine. There is no consensus on the total number of bonds or the interpretation of orbital hybridization and overlap.

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Some participants acknowledge potential errors in their counting methods and the definitions of hybridization, but these issues remain unresolved within the discussion.

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[SOLVED] molecular orbital model

I have a few quick questions:

consider the structure of glycine
a) indicate the hybridizations at each N and C atom in the molecule?
I got sp3, sp3, and sp2

I don't have a problem with that question

b) what is the total number of bonds in the molecule? Not quite sure what this means do i just add them up counting the double bond as 2? So any help would be appreciated

c) what is the total number of pi bonds in the molecule? I think it's 1 because the oxygen at the end has 2p orbitals holding just lone pairs

My basic problem is b. and what do I? Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Hi,

yes count double bond as 2

1 double bond = 1 pi bond + 1 sigma bond

only 1 double bond so only 1 pi bond (its the C=O) that has the pi bond, not the O in (C-O) at the end.
 
Okay so i looked up the answer for b) and it said 10. How is it 10? Did i draw it wrong or I just can't count? And about c) i thought their was a pi bond between the C and O because they each have an empty p orbital? Or that's wrong b/c the p orbitals on the O are holding lone pairs?

Thanks for answering
 
Um yea ignore the question for b) I actually added wrong:redface:
 
a pi bond is the SIDE-BY-SIDE overlap of 2 p orbitals (one from O, one from C) that each have 1 electron in them. These p orbitals are unhybridized.


The orbitals that are holding the lone pairs on O are HYBRIDIZED sp2 orbitals. They are not p orbitals that are empty.
 
but what about the left over p orbital? Like if it's sp2 hydridized there should be a p left right?
 
ahh I am sorry. I was trying to overlap a p orbital twice. Thank You
 

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