How many hydraulic rams do I need to prevent wall collapsing ?

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of hydraulic rams required to prevent a wall from collapsing under the pressure exerted by water in a rectangular tank. The scenario involves calculations of forces acting on the wall based on dimensions and fluid properties, with a focus on the application of hydraulic rams to counteract these forces.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the force acting on the wall to be 1766 kN based on the dimensions of the wall and the properties of water.
  • Another participant provides a formula for average pressure and suggests that the force on the wall can be calculated using the equation F = ρAgd/2, assuming the walls can withstand twice the average pressure.
  • A participant asserts that 1 tonne is a measure of force, not pressure, and reiterates the calculations involving the hydraulic ram's pressure and the force it can exert.
  • One participant concludes that two hydraulic rams are needed to resist the calculated force of 1766 kN, based on their calculations of the force exerted by each ram.
  • A later reply points out that the force on two of the walls may be greater than on the other two due to the non-square shape of the room, suggesting a potential oversight in the initial calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and assumptions regarding the forces acting on the walls and the number of hydraulic rams needed. There is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the assumptions made about the wall's structural integrity.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the wall's shape on the forces acting on it, and there are uncertainties regarding the maximum pressure the walls can sustain without breaking. Additionally, the calculations depend on the definitions and assumptions regarding pressure and force.

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Homework Statement



rectangle wall with 3m height, 20 length, 6.0m width.
Rectangle filled with water.



The Attempt at a Solution




I've calculated the force acting on the wall to be: 1766 KN

I have a hydraulic ram exerting 5 tonnes of pressure.

How many do I need ?

Homework Equations




F=P.A
 
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Average pressure = ρgd, d = 3m, g = 9.81 m-s^(-2), ρ = 1e3 kg/m^3.

So you know the force on each wall is ρAgd/2 assuming the walls can sustain max pressure of twice average pressure without breaking apart.

1 tonne = 1000kg*g of force. (It is not a measure of pressure but of force.)

The rest is 1st year high school algebra.
 
rude man said:
Average pressure = ρgd, d = 3m, g = 9.81 m-s^(-2), ρ = 1e3 kg/m^3.

So you know the force on each wall is ρAgd/2 assuming the walls can sustain max pressure of twice average pressure without breaking apart.

1 tonne = 1000kg*g of force. (It is not a measure of pressure but of force.)

The rest is 1st year high school algebra.

That's exactly what I did:

Here's how I done:

F on each wall= (1766KN)

1T/m^2 = 9800 pa
5T/m^2 = 49000 pa

Force exerted by the hydraulic ram on the wall = 49000 X ( Depth x width ) = 882 KN for each Hydraulic ram.

So, to resist an opposite force of 1766KN I will need 2 Hydraulic rams.


Is this right ? thanks
 
davekardle said:
F on each wall= (1766KN)

The force on two of your walls is greater than that on the other two since your room is not square-shaped.
 

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