How many maximal ideals of Z_3[x]

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The discussion revolves around the number of maximal ideals generated by quadratic polynomials in the ring ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x]##. Participants are exploring the relationship between irreducible quadratic polynomials and maximal ideals.

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  • Participants are attempting to count the number of irreducible quadratic polynomials and questioning the correspondence between irreducible polynomials and maximal ideals. There are discussions about the correct counting methods for polynomial factors and the implications of principal ideals.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and raising questions about the assumptions made in counting irreducible quadratics and their relation to maximal ideals. Some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of principal ideals and the role of units in the ring.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of counting distinct maximal ideals and the definitions of irreducibility and principal ideals within the context of ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x]##. There is uncertainty about how to determine when two polynomials generate the same ideal.

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How many maximal ideals generated by quadratic polynomials does ##\mathbb{Z}_3 [x]## contain?

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Here is my reasoning. There are a total of ##2 \cdot 3 \cdot 3 = 18## quadratic polynomials in ##\mathbb{Z}_3 [x]##. If we write ##(x+a)(x+b)##, then there are ##\binom{3}{2} = 3## ways to choose ##a## and ##b##, up to the order of the factors. Since these are the only ways to factor a polynomial, there are 18 - 3 = 15 irreducible quadratic polynomials.

Is this correct?
 
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There a few glitches:

1. Combinations is not a correct way to count possibilities for a and b, since Combinations are for choices without replacement, and the choice here is with replacement - ie a can equal b.

2. Your answer is described as the number of (distinct) irreducible quadratic polynomials. What you are required to count is the number of distinct maximal ideals generated by such. Are you sure there's a 1-1 correspondence between the two? If so, can you demonstrate that, or is it a result you've already been given? Every irreducible polynomial generates a maximal ideal, but does that mean every irreducible polynomial generates a different ideal?
 
andrewkirk said:
There a few glitches:

1. Combinations is not a correct way to count possibilities for a and b, since Combinations are for choices without replacement, and the choice here is with replacement - ie a can equal b.

2. Your answer is described as the number of (distinct) irreducible quadratic polynomials.What you are required to count is the number of distinct maximal ideals generated by such. Are you sure there's a 1-1 correspondence between the two? If so, can you demonstrate that, or is it a result you've already been given?
So taking into account 1., there are 3 + 3 = 6 reducible quadratics, so there are 18 - 6 irreducible quadratics.

Now, I need to find the number of distinct maximal ideals generated by these irreducible quadratics, but I am not sure how to see when two polynomials generate the same ideal.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
So taking into account 1., there are 3 + 3 = 6 reducible quadratics, so there are 18 - 6 irreducible quadratics.
Interesting. I get the same answer, but I don't see how 3+3 comes into it. For me it's 3+2+1.
Now, I need to find the number of distinct maximal ideals generated by these irreducible quadratics, but I am not sure how to see when two polynomials generate the same ideal.
Are they principal ideals? What rules do you know about things one can do to the generator of a principal ideal without changing the ideal?
 
andrewkirk said:
Are they principal ideals? What rules do you know about things one can do to the generator of a principal ideal without changing the ideal?
You can take the additive inverse of the generator, right? Like that for ##\mathbb{Z}##, ##\langle 1 \rangle = \langle -1 \rangle##
 
A more general way to approach that uses the concept of units, together with Principal Idealness and commutativity of the ring. In this case I expect it'll give the same answer, but it's good to be aware of the most general approach possible.
 
andrewkirk said:
A more general way to approach that uses the concept of units, together with Principal Idealness and commutativity of the ring. In this case I expect it'll give the same answer, but it's good to be aware of the most general approach possible.
Don't units have to do with multiplicative inverses though? Do two quadratics generating the same principal ideal have to do with multiplicative inverses or additive inverses?
 
'Have to do with' is too vague a concept.

What are the units of ##\mathbb Z_3[x]##? What happens if you multiply a non-trivial polynomial in ##\mathbb Z_3[x]## by one of them?
 
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