Computing the order in a polynomial quotient ring

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The discussion revolves around the quotient ring ##F = \mathbb{Z}_3 [x] / \langle x^2 + 1 \rangle## and the task of computing the order of the coset ##(x+1) + \langle x^2 + 1 \rangle## within the group of units ##F*##. Participants explore the properties of the ring and the implications of the irreducibility of the polynomial involved.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of computing powers of ##(x+1)## and question how to simplify the expressions after each computation. There is also a focus on verifying whether ##(x+1) + \langle x^2 + 1 \rangle## is indeed a unit in the field, with some asserting that it must be due to the properties of fields.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the nature of the quotient ring and the implications of the polynomial's irreducibility. Some participants suggest shortcuts in computation and explore the isomorphism to Gaussian integers, while others emphasize the need for verification of assumptions and conditions.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the notation of the polynomial ring, with participants clarifying that it should be ##\mathbb{Z}_3[x]## rather than ##\mathbb{Z}[x]##. Additionally, the discussion includes considerations of how to handle irreducible quadratics in general.

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Homework Statement


Consider the quotient ring ##F = \mathbb{Z}_3 [x] / \langle x^2 + 1 \rangle##. Compute the order of the coset ##(x+1) + \langle x^2 + 1 \rangle## in the group of units ##F*##.

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I was thinking that I just continually compute powers of (x+1) until I reach a polynomial with ##x^2+1## as a factor, but this is cumbersome. I guess my question, after each computation, how do I reduce the expression to get a simpler description of the coset? Do I just subtract ##x^2 + 1## as many times as a please?
 
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The question, as stated, presupposes that ##(x+1)+\langle x^2+1\rangle## is a unit of ##F##. Is that true? Why, or why not?
 
andrewkirk said:
The question, as stated, presupposes that ##(x+1)+\langle x^2+1\rangle## is a unit of ##F##. Is that true? Why, or why not?
Well ##F## is a field, since ##\langle x^2 + 1 \rangle## is a maximal ideal since ##x^2 + 1## is irreducible in ##\mathbb{Z}_3##, so ##(x+1)+\langle x^2+1\rangle## must be a unit of ##F## since all non-zero elements are units by definition of a field.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
Well ##F## is a field, since ##\langle x^2 + 1 \rangle## is a maximal ideal since ##x^2 + 1## is irreducible in ##\mathbb{Z}_3##, so ##(x+1)+\langle x^2+1\rangle## must be a unit of ##F## since all non-zero elements are units by definition of a field.
Good.

But in this latest post you wrote ##\mathbb Z_3##, implying that the parent polynomial ring is ##\mathbb Z_3[x]##, whereas in the OP you wrote ##\mathbb Z[x]##. Which is it?
 
andrewkirk said:
Good.

But in this latest post you wrote ##\mathbb Z_3##, implying that the parent polynomial ring is ##\mathbb Z_3[x]##, whereas in the OP you wrote ##\mathbb Z[x]##. Which is it?
Oops, it's ##\mathbb{Z}_3 [x]##. Sorry.
 
That makes the problem make more sense.

You can shortcut all the polynomial multiplication by making use of the fact that ##\mathbb R[x]/\langle x^2+1\rangle\cong \mathbb C## via the field isomorphism that maps 1 to 1 and ##x## to ##i##. It would seem to be a natural guess then that the quotient field here is isomorphic to the Gaussian Integers modulo 3, ie ##\mathbb Z_3+i\mathbb Z_3##. What is the lowest positive integer to which we need to raise ##1+i## to get a real number?
 
andrewkirk said:
That makes the problem make more sense.

You can shortcut all the polynomial multiplication by making use of the fact that ##\mathbb R[x]/\langle x^2+1\rangle\cong \mathbb C## via the field isomorphism that maps 1 to 1 and ##x## to ##i##. It would seem to be a natural guess then that the quotient field here is isomorphic to the Gaussian Integers modulo 3, ie ##\mathbb Z_3+i\mathbb Z_3##. What is the lowest positive integer to which we need to raise ##1+i## to get a real number?
Since ##(1+i)^4 = -4##, the answer is 4.
 
Not so fast. Firstly, the question should have been 'what is the lowest positive integer ##m## to which we need to raise ##1+i## to get a number that is 1 mod 3.' My mistake, but we wouldn't want the hints on here to be too accurate would we, or where would be the satisfaction for the students?

Secondly, having found ##m##, since we have only guessed that the isomorphism holds, we need to verify that ##(x+1)^m=1\mod (x^2+1)## in ##\mathbb Z_3[x]##. Taking the appropriate row of Pascal's Triangle will help us do this.
 
Okay, so ##(1+i)^8 = 16 = 1 \pmod 3##. Also, rather than using pascal's in this example, is there a more general way? For example, what if we have an irreducible quadratic of the form ##ax^2 + bx + c##?
 
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Provided the roots of the quadratic are in the Gaussian Rationals ##\mathbb Q+i\mathbb Q## we can proceed the same way. We find the smallest ##m## such that ##(f+id)^m=1\mod 3## where ##f+dx## represents the coset we are considering.

If we have proven the isomorphism, it ends there. If not, we need to divide ##(f+dx)^m## by the irreducible polynomial, in ##\mathbb Z_3[x]## and show that the remainder is ##1\mod 3##.
 

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