How many positive integers x satisfy this logarithmic inequality?

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The discussion revolves around a logarithmic inequality involving positive integers and logarithmic properties. The original poster presents a specific inequality and seeks assistance in understanding the steps needed to solve it, particularly focusing on the implications of manipulating inequalities.

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  • Participants discuss substituting specific integer values for x to explore the behavior of the inequality. There are also considerations regarding the manipulation of logarithmic expressions and the conditions under which inequalities hold true.

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Several participants have provided insights into the manipulation of the logarithmic expressions and the implications of multiplying by terms that may affect the inequality. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and some participants have expressed understanding of the steps involved.

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The original poster notes that inequalities are not formally taught in their course, which may limit the depth of the discussion. This context suggests that participants are navigating the problem with varying levels of familiarity with the underlying concepts.

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Homework Statement
How many positive integers x satisfy ##\log_{\frac x 8} (\frac{x^2} 4) < 7 + \log_2(\frac 8 x)##
Relevant Equations
Basic logarithamic rules
The whole solution is a bit long, which I'll attach but the part I'm stuck at is, assuming everything else above it is correct, is
4 < (log x - 3)(8-log x)

Note ; inequalities aren't technically taught yet in the course, so please try to make the solution not go too deep into that. If that isn't possible there's a high chance I've gone wrong before that step, hence I've uploaded the entire solution.
 

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Did you try plugging in ##x = 1, 2, 3 \dots## and see what happens?
 
Mr X said:
Homework Statement: How many positive integers x satisfy ##\log_{\frac x 8} (\frac{x^2} 4) < 7 + \log_2(\frac 8 x)##
Relevant Equations: Basic logarithamic rules

The whole solution is a bit long, which I'll attach but the part I'm stuck at is, assuming everything else above it is correct, is
4 < (log x - 3)(8-log x)

Assuming your logs are to base 2 then this is one of the possible solutions. It is convenient to use logs to base 2; then the left hand side is <br /> \log_{x/8}(x^2/4) = 2\frac{ \log_2(x/4)}{\log_2(x/8)} = \frac{2 (\log_2 x - 1)}{\log_2 x - 3} and the right hand side is 7 + \log_2(8/x) = 10 - \log_2 x so that if y = \log_2 x then <br /> \frac{2(y-1)}{y-3} &lt; 10 - y.

To solve this, we must multiply both sides by y - 3. But this only preserves the inequality if y - 3 &gt; 0, and in that case <br /> y^2 - 11y + 28 &lt; 0 which is as far as you got, but you then did not factorise this as <br /> (y - 4)(y - 7) &lt; 0.

Alternatively, if y &lt; 3 then we must reverse the inequality when multiplying both sides by y - 3, which leads to (y - 4)(y - 7) &gt; 0.
 
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pasmith said:
Assuming your logs are to base 2 then this is one of the possible solutions. It is convenient to use logs to base 2; then the left hand side is <br /> \log_{x/8}(x^2/4) = 2\frac{ \log_2(x/4)}{\log_2(x/8)} = \frac{2 (\log_2 x - 1)}{\log_2 x - 3} and the right hand side is 7 + \log_2(8/x) = 10 - \log_2 x so that if y = \log_2 x then <br /> \frac{2(y-1)}{y-3} &lt; 10 - y.

To solve this, we must multiply both sides by y - 3. But this only preserves the inequality if y - 3 &gt; 0, and in that case <br /> y^2 - 11y + 28 &lt; 0 which is as far as you got, but you then did not factorise this as <br /> (y - 4)(y - 7) &lt; 0.

Alternatively, if y &lt; 3 then we must reverse the inequality when multiplying both sides by y - 3, which leads to (y - 4)(y - 7) &gt; 0.
sorry I didn't reply after, but got it, thankyou.
 

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