Number of Integers Satisfying 1<log₃(log₂x)<2

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The discussion revolves around solving the inequality \(1 < \log_{3}(\log_{2}x) < 2\) to determine how many integers satisfy the condition for \(x\). Participants explore various steps and methods for approaching this problem, which appears to be from a math contest.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests starting with the transformation \(3^1 < \log_{2}{x} < 3^2\) as a first step.
  • Another participant proposes that the next step leads to \(2^{3} < x < 2^{9}\), which simplifies to \(8 < x < 512\).
  • There is a discussion about the method of multiplying exponents, with some participants clarifying that \(2^{3^{2}} \neq 2^{6}\) and emphasizing the correct interpretation of exponentiation.
  • One participant claims to arrive at the answer of 503 by subtracting 8 from 512 and adjusting for the integer count, while another participant questions the reasoning behind certain steps.
  • Several participants express confusion about the steps involved and seek clarification on how to proceed with the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the methods used to solve the problem, with differing opinions on the correctness of certain steps and interpretations of exponentiation. There is also uncertainty regarding the final answer and the reasoning behind it.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the mathematical concepts involved, particularly regarding exponentiation and the steps to derive the final answer. There are unresolved questions about the validity of certain methods and calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in logarithmic inequalities, exponentiation rules, and problem-solving techniques in mathematics.

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How many integers will satisfy x in the inequality:

1< \log_{3}({\log_{2}{x})}< 2

Note: The log there is not multitplied to the other log. The log there I think is read like this, logarithm of logarithm of x to the base 2 to the base 3.

What can be the solution or technique for this one? This was given on a math contest here and was just asked to solve for 20 seconds.
 
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yik-boh said:
How many integers will satisfy x in the inequality:
1&lt; \log_{3}({\log_{2}{x})} &lt; 2

First step:

3^1 &lt; {\log_{2}{x}} &lt; 3^2

Can you find the second step?
 
I forgot to mention the answer. It's 503.

Trying the step you gave me:

2^{3}=8 < x < 2^{6}=64

so the new equation would be like this

8 < x < 64

After that, I multiplied 64 to 8. I got 512.

When I got 512, I subtracted 3^{2} from 512 then I got 503.

Is my method correct?
 
Why did you multiply 64 to 8 ?

My method would be:

2^{3^{1}}&lt;x&lt;2^{3^{2}}
=>2^{3}&lt;x&lt;2^{9}
 
When you raise an exponent to another exponent, you should multiply the exponents right? So 2^{3^{2}} would be 2^{6}.

Please explain to me step by step what to do. I'm still confused. I'm just new to this type of problems.
 
yik-boh said:
When you raise an exponent to another exponent, you should multiply the exponents right? So 2^{3^{2}} would be 2^{6}.

Please explain to me step by step what to do. I'm still confused. I'm just new to this type of problems.

No. For example, 3^2 = 9 and 2^{(3^2)} = 2 ^ 9 = 512 but 2^6 = 64

Therefore, a^{b^c} \neq a^{bc}
 
Oh thanks for the explanation dude..

So what would I do next after this:

2^{3}&lt;x&lt;2^{9}

to get 503?


Hope you could explain it step by step. Thanks. :)
 
You could just think about it for a minute :P

Your asking how many integers fall between an interval...
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

After arriving at this one:

8 < x < 512

I transposed 8 to the side of 512 so the equation would be:

x < 512 - 8

x < 504

The number just before 504 is 503. So the answer is, there are 503 possible values for x in order to satisfy the inequality. Which is the right answer.But is my solution and reasoning correct? :)
 
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1 &lt; \log_3({\log_{2}{x}}) &lt; 2

3^1 &lt; {\log_{2}{x}} &lt; 3^2

3 &lt; {\log_{2}{x}} &lt; 9

2^3 &lt; x &lt; 2^9

8 &lt; x &lt; 512

answer 512-8-1=503
 
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yik-boh said:
When you raise an exponent to another exponent, you should multiply the exponents right? So 2^{3^{2}} would be 2^{6}.

Please explain to me step by step what to do. I'm still confused. I'm just new to this type of problems.
(a^ b)^c= a^{bc} but a^{b^c} is not.
 
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yik-boh said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

After arriving at this one:

8 < x < 512

I transposed 8 to the side of 512 so the equation would be:

x < 512 - 8

x < 504

The number just before 504 is 503. So the answer is, there are 503 possible values for x in order to satisfy the inequality. Which is the right answer.


But is my solution and reasoning correct? :)

yes.
 
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Thanks for the help. :)
 

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