How Many Vectors Are in the Span of a Single Vector in F2p?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of vector spans in the context of the vector space F2p, specifically focusing on the span of a single vector v in F2p \ {(0,0)}. Participants are exploring how many vectors are contained within this span and the nature of one-dimensional vector subspaces in F2p, where Fp is a field defined by a prime number p.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the definition of span and the implications of scalar multiplication on the elements of the span. Questions are raised about the uniqueness of vectors generated by different scalars and the total number of distinct vectors in the span.

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There is an ongoing exploration of examples, particularly using the field Z_3, to illustrate the concepts being discussed. Some participants are clarifying their understanding of how scalar multiplication affects the elements in the span, while others are confirming the number of distinct vectors generated.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the field Fp consists of elements defined by a prime number p, and they are considering the implications of excluding the zero vector from the vector space.

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Homework Statement



Let v be an element of F2p \ {(0,0)}. How many vectors does Span({v}) have? How many 1-dimensional vector subspaces does F2p have?

F2p is the two-dimensional field (a,b) where each a, b are elements of Fp, where p is a prime number.

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the total number of elements in the vector space F2p \ {(0,0)} is p2 - 1. I also thought that this was the number of vectors in Span({v}) but I've told by a couple people that is not so. I started with the definition of span but I just couldn't see the rest unfold.

Thank you ahead of time for your help.
 
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An element in span(v) must be of the form av for some a in the field. How many choices of a do you have? Do all of these choices yield a different vector, or can av=bv if a=/=b?
 
Take an example. Let F=Z_3, the field with three elements {0,1,2}. Yes, there are 8 elements in (Z_3)^2-{0,0}. How many elements are in span((1,1))? That's (1,1)*x for all x in Z_3. Does that help you to see things unfold?
 
Dick said:
Take an example. Let F=Z_3, the field with three elements {0,1,2}. Yes, there are 8 elements in (Z_3)^2-{0,0}. How many elements are in span((1,1))? That's (1,1)*x for all x in Z_3. Does that help you to see things unfold?

Would (1,1)*x have 3 elements? (1,1,0), (1,1,1), (1,1,2)? Or am I reading this incorrectly?
 
brru25 said:
Would (1,1)*x have 3 elements? (1,1,0), (1,1,1), (1,1,2)? Or am I reading this incorrectly?

Well, yeah. Would have three elements. But they would be (0,0)=(1,1)*0, (1,1)=(1,1)*1 and (2,2)=(1,1)*2.
 
Dick said:
Well, yeah. Would have three elements. But they would be (0,0)=(1,1)*0, (1,1)=(1,1)*1 and (2,2)=(1,1)*2.

Okay now I see what you meant sorry about that.
 
Office_Shredder said:
An element in span(v) must be of the form av for some a in the field. How many choices of a do you have? Do all of these choices yield a different vector, or can av=bv if a=/=b?

"a" I believe can be any number in F.
 

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