How many ways can you make a basic ice cream?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the various methods and experiences related to making basic ice cream. Participants share personal anecdotes, preferences, and the diversity of ice cream production, touching on homemade versus commercial varieties, regional specialties, and historical context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express that there are many ways to make ice cream, ranging from commercial methods to homemade techniques using traditional methods like hand-cranking with ice and salt.
  • Others share personal experiences with different ice cream shops and homemade recipes, highlighting the variability in taste and quality.
  • A few participants mention specific ingredients and methods they believe contribute to the best flavor, such as using fresh fruit or avoiding certain additives found in commercial ice creams.
  • Some discuss the historical aspect of ice cream production, including references to notable figures like Margaret Thatcher and their contributions to ice cream technology.
  • There are differing opinions on the quality of ice cream from vendors, with some suggesting it can be hit or miss based on the vendor's practices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are numerous ways to make ice cream and that personal experiences vary widely. However, there is no consensus on the best method or ingredients, and multiple competing views remain regarding the quality of homemade versus commercial ice cream.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions include personal preferences and anecdotal evidence about ice cream quality, which may depend on individual taste and regional differences. There are also references to historical practices and ingredients that may not be universally applicable.

  • #31
NeoDevin said:
I believe the salt allows the water (ice) to be liquid at less than 0C, thus improving the cooling process.

Dissolving salt in water is endothermic (most solid solutes in liquid are) so it will provide a cooling effect - this was necessary in the days before freezers.
 
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  • #32
It's a shame that with all of the electric countertop ice cream makers that most of the younger people here will never know what it's like to make ice cream in a hand cranked wooden ice cream maker. As a kid, that was one of the biggest thrills of summer. Word that you were making ice cream spread like wildfire and within minutes every kid on the block would be there.
 
  • #33
BobG said:
Too low of a temperature, though, and you start to get ice chunks in your ice cream - crystallized ice chunks of the mixture, not water.
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I can understand Moonbear's comments about all homemade ice cream not being very good, because there's a lot of ways you can mess up the texture, especially when you first try getting the feel of just how much salt you need.
Yeah, that's probably what happened. I remember it being rather "chunky." I vaguely recall the recipe requiring eggs too, and I don't think my parents understood the concept of tempering eggs, because I remember also having bits of cooked egg throughout the mixture. Bleck!

I mean, let's face it, some people can't even handle toasting a marshmallow. They get impatient and char the outside while leaving the inside raw.
Hey! That's the way I like my toasted marshmallows! :biggrin:

turbo-1 said:
BobG is right. My family would make ice cream in pretty large batches, with low temps, but they would also hijack us kids to crank the mix as fast as we could, and get relieved by fresh kids eager to make a high-quality product (and eat the same!).

Apparently, we needed more kids living nearby. I remember very tired arms. :rolleyes:
 
  • #34
mgb_phys said:
Dissolving salt in water is endothermic (most solid solutes in liquid are) so it will provide a cooling effect - this was necessary in the days before freezers.

I think I've heard that people used saltpetre in water. Would that have worked even better than rock salt? I have a feeling that it may have, and now it's considered too dangerous to use when making ice cream, or corned beef.
 
  • #35
I've enjoyed many a batch of hand-cranked ice cream.. (using a White Mountain Freezer-6qt). It has a triple mixing system with the crank operating two sets of beaters, moving in opposite directions and at the same time, the can revolves in opposing direction. If you're interested in some background about these freezers, here's a reference.

The hand-crank models are nicely portable and is ecologically friendly using only people power. Besides making ice cream in the backyard on sweltering summer days, I've made ice cream this way, at outdoor music festivals, drive-in movies (there are a few drive-ins still around), and even on camping trips. One camping trip, I didn't have enough rock salt but did happen to have a sack of soluble granular fertilizer in the car and realized it would depress the freezing point of ice too. The ice cream came out fine! (I made sure to keep the fertilizer/ice mixture below the lid of the can).

If you've never seen hand-cranking in action, here a nice clip of an ice-cream crank off, held in Mckinney,TX.
 
  • #36
fourier jr said:
I'm pretty sure that's the reason. I've seen Heston Blumenthal make ice cream in a regular Kitchenaid stand mixer using chunks of dry ice.
He has made ice cream using liquid nitrogen as well. (talk about freezing the cream quickly :smile:). As long as you mix it thoroughly, after adding the liquid nitrogen to the mixture, it will come out with smooth consistency. On this clip (in which he also makes bangers & mash and treacle tart), at 3:50, he begins discussion on making ice cream. If you like that one, you ought to catch his clips on the chemistry of chocolate. :-p
 
  • #37
Evo said:
It's a shame that with all of the electric countertop ice cream makers that most of the younger people here will never know what it's like to make ice cream in a hand cranked wooden ice cream maker. As a kid, that was one of the biggest thrills of summer. Word that you were making ice cream spread like wildfire and within minutes every kid on the block would be there.

I remember working hard for my ice cream. *crank crank crank crank crank* phew!
 
  • #38
Ouabache said:
He has made ice cream using liquid nitrogen as well. (talk about freezing the cream quickly :smile:). As long as you mix it thoroughly, after adding the liquid nitrogen to the mixture, it will come out with smooth consistency. On this clip (in which he also makes bangers & mash and treacle tart), at 3:50, he begins discussion on making ice cream. If you like that one, you ought to catch his clips on the chemistry of chocolate. :-p

mmm.. bangers n' mash ice cream! That sounds even better than chicken ripple.
 
  • #39
Math Is Hard said:
mmm.. bangers n' mash ice cream! That sounds even better than chicken ripple.

That's not as crazy as you think! At his restaurant a regular menu item is bacon & egg ice cream.
 
  • #40
fourier jr said:
That's not as crazy as you think! At his restaurant a regular menu item is bacon & egg ice cream.

My brother would love that. He's a bacon freak.
 
  • #41
Math Is Hard said:
I remember working hard for my ice cream. *crank crank crank crank crank* phew!
Yep, builds good muscle tone in the arms.

Math Is Hard said:
mmm.. bangers n' mash ice cream! That sounds even better than chicken ripple.
You're funny :smile:... check out the clip.. this fellow knows his craft, he is making a high quality vanilla ice-cream

Evo said:
The best ice cream I've ever tasted was home made (by me), ice and rock salt in a wooden bucket, hand cranked. People that had never tasted home made ice cream before were going nuts. I have never found a mass produced ice cream that could match that flavor...
I'm with you, hand cranked in the wooden bucket is great.. The slow consistent turning makes a frozen creamy ice cream. :-p

turbo-1 said:
There is a family that owned a local dairy, and about 25 years ago, they couldn't sell enough butter to get rid of all the milk-fat that they removed from milk to make reduced-fat milks. They opened a small ice cream shop, and started making ice cream to sell locally. It became a huge hit...
I wonder what town they're in, I'd like to stop by sometime and try it.
 
  • #42
Math Is Hard said:
I remember working hard for my ice cream. *crank crank crank crank crank* phew!
Ok, it was hell cranking that ice cream out, but in the end, you were so relieved that it was ready that it tasted like the best thing in the universe!
 
  • #43
Evo said:
Ok, it was hell cranking that ice cream out, but in the end, you were so relieved that it was ready that it tasted like the best thing in the universe!

Oh, now I understand the psychology in action here. Homemade ice cream tastes so good because you're so hot and tired from the cranking that anything cold and containing sugar would taste good. :biggrin:
 
  • #44
The thought of cooked eggs in ice cream has made me a little queezy Poor moonbear!
 
  • #45
I bought some 'store sold' ice cream about 2 weeks ago for the first time in maybe six months and noticed it was 25% smaller than the last time I bought it ---it was 1 1/2 quarts-----not the half gallon that it had been (since eternity began)---what a bummer---can't say "pick up a 1/2 gal. of ice cream" anymore
 
  • #46
Ouabache said:
I wonder what town they're in, I'd like to stop by sometime and try it.
The company started out as Gifford's Dairy in Skowhegan and now they have franchise stands all over the state.
http://www.giffordsicecream.com/
 
  • #47
Oddino's in London is really nice. You can watch the ice-cream being made through a glass window. The especially green coloured pistaccios come from Sicily. The Basil flavour is great, and so is the cinnamon.
 

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