How Massive Must an Asteroid Be to Extend Earth's Day by 28%?

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The discussion revolves around a hypothetical scenario where an asteroid collides with Earth, aiming to determine the mass required for the Earth's day to increase by 28%. The problem is situated within the context of rotational dynamics and angular momentum, with participants exploring the implications of such a collision on Earth's rotation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using angular momentum and moment of inertia to calculate the asteroid's mass, questioning the validity of assuming constant angular momentum post-collision. Some suggest an energy perspective might yield more reasonable results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants checking their calculations and questioning assumptions about mass distribution and moment of inertia. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored, including the effects of the asteroid's mass on Earth's rotational dynamics.

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Participants note the significant change in Earth's moment of inertia due to the asteroid's mass and the potential complexities introduced by the collision dynamics. There is also mention of the need to account for energy losses during the impact.

  • #31
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
That's all fine and dandy, but the problem statement says that the size of the asteroid is neglegable. This is so you can treat it as a point mass. Since when do Mechanics 1 problems need to be realistic?

Turns out whoever wrote this problem either lied or didn't know what the answer was. Having something 10 times as massive as the moon hitting Earth is not 'negligible' in any sense of the word.
 
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  • #32
Ok, so then op needs to integrate r^2 dm over the density function of the asteroid (which we don't have) and sum that with the earth.
[edit] [earth]'s moment.
 
  • #33
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
Ok, so then op needs to integrate r^2 dm over the density function of the asteroid (which we don't have) and sum that with the earth.

You can make a list of things we don't know about this asteroid, which is why this problem is poorly constructed.
 
  • #34
This was just a problem that someone pulled out of their rear end. Think about it. An asteroid hits the Earth aimed at towards the center of the earth, and causes an increase in our day by 28% (!). That's huge for an asteroid that exerts 0 torque. It's all about recognizing you need to use angular momentum and applying it properly.
 
  • #35
BOAS said:
28.0% longer than it presently is
BOAS, are you sure it's 28%, not perhaps 0.28%?
 
  • #36
The asteroid is a point mass: "Assume that the asteroid is very small compared to the earth" - sure it is completely unrealistic, but we can ignore that issue.

Such a massive asteroid (Mars just has 10% of the mass of earth, our "asteroid" is larger!) would change the center of rotation of earth. This makes the new moment of inertia a bit smaller than calculated before.

Also, a day 28% longer than before does not correspond to a new angular velocity 28% smaller than before.

Putting all together, I get about 12.6% of the mass of Earth for the asteroid.

18.4% with the 28%-mistake, 11.2% with the wrong center of rotation and 15.56% with both at the same time.By the way, you do not need any data about Earth (apart from the constant density) - the result is true independent of its size, mass or length of a day.
 
  • #37
haruspex said:
BOAS, are you sure it's 28%, not perhaps 0.28%?

It's definitely 28.0%.
 
  • #38
mfb said:
Also, a day 28% longer than before does not correspond to a new angular velocity 28% smaller than before.

Ah, you're right. it's 2pi radians in 1.28*86400 seconds
 

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