How much does GPA and Prestigious school indicate success?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between GPA, the prestige of educational institutions, and perceived success in STEM fields, particularly in the context of transitioning from mechanical engineering to programming. Participants explore personal experiences, societal expectations, and examples of notable figures in science and technology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their journey from struggling in high school to achieving a high GPA in the early years of engineering, followed by a decline in performance and a newfound passion for programming.
  • Another participant suggests looking to successful figures like Bill Gates and Michael Faraday as counter-examples to the notion that prestigious schools and high GPAs are necessary for success.
  • Some participants express the idea that practical skills and experience may outweigh academic performance in the job market, emphasizing the importance of learning and applying knowledge over grades.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of GPA on self-esteem and future opportunities, with suggestions to seek professional help for these feelings.
  • There is a mention of the importance of understanding programming fundamentals, such as algorithms and data structures, as essential for career prospects in programming.
  • One participant reflects on their own learning experiences, noting that despite low grades, they have gained valuable knowledge through practical projects.

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the significance of GPA and prestigious schools. While some argue that skills and experience are more important, others emphasize the traditional view of academic success as a key indicator of future achievement. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

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Participants reference various historical and contemporary figures in science and technology to illustrate their points, indicating a reliance on anecdotal evidence rather than empirical data. There is also a recognition of the emotional and psychological aspects of academic performance that are not fully explored.

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Students in STEM fields, particularly those transitioning between disciplines or concerned about academic performance, as well as individuals interested in the relationship between education and career success.

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So to give context, I'm going to be graduating from University this year with a mech engineering degree. And to give further context, I was a flunk in high school, only took serious in grade 12 because that's when things got serious. I picked science because all my friend took it, then switched to Engineering. The first 2 years of Engineering were pretty good and I had close to a 4.0 gpa and I initially was planning to go to grad school for physics.

But the last 2-3 years I kinda dropped the ball. My GPA now is at a 2.9. It's weird because I would study hard but I wouldn't succeed on tests like I did in the first 2 years of Engineering. Kinda started to slowly shatter my confidence and I had stopped caring for grades and started to kinda flunk because Grad school wasn't going to happen.

Luckily the last year I found a new passion in programming and have worked really in self teaching myself comp sci/programming. Like 40 - 50 hours for last year. I basically stopped caring about my school work and instead poured all my time into programming. I realized I should've software engineering instead of mech. So I've been quite happy recently and reinvigorated with passion for programming specifically machine learning and game dev.

But I recently was thinking about how most great scientist like Einstein, Feynman, Newton, Hawkings, etc. They all were overachievers in school and graduated from prestigious university. I was thinking how could I possibly compete with kids who go to harder and more prestigious universities when I go to an average one that give easier test and workload but I still have a trash gpa. Basically I feel kinda insecure that I'm not one those kids who went to a top university and got 90s. It's kinda making me doubt my ability to achieve anything in STEM. I feel like I'll always be what I've been all my life and that is average at best.

Sorry for long, directionless paragraphs, just needed to get this off my chest.
 
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Pipsqueakalchemist said:
But I recently was thinking about how most great scientist like Einstein, Feynman, Newton, Hawkings, etc. They all were overachievers in school and graduated from prestigious university.
Well, since your future appears to lie in programming, why don't you look to Bill Gates for inspiration? You know, the guy who famously dropped out of Harvard to found Microsoft? And since your list of "great scientists" (though really limited to physicists) includes physicists stretching waaay back to Newton, take a look at Michael Faraday as a counter-example. There are many other counter-examples, if you do your homework (especially if you broaden your scope to include fields outside of physics).
 
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I hate clichés, but "today is the first day of the rest of your life" is a good one. Just get on with it. Learn from your past without living there.
 
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Pipsqueakalchemist said:
I feel kinda insecure that I'm not one those kids who went to a top university and got 90s.
That's something you need to talk ro a professional about. It is a fact. They can help you with how you feel about it.

Grad school in physics isn't going to happen. Yeah, never say never, but planning on this is unrealistic.

Its good that you seem to have found your niche in programming. Be sure you understand programming algorithms, data structures, variable scope and typing, etc. While there are jobs for people who don't know these things, they are getting scarcer,
 
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As you go into industry I think you'll find that what you know and what you've done is much, much more important than school transcripts. When I interviewed hardware EEs I never even asked about GPAs, I knew what they had learned by asking them to solve a few key problems. Focus on learning your craft, that is what matters in the long run.
 
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DaveE said:
As you go into industry I think you'll find that what you know and what you've done is much, much more important than school transcripts. When I interviewed hardware EEs I never even asked about GPAs, I knew what they had learned by asking them to solve a few key problems. Focus on learning your craft, that is what matters in the long run.
Yeah I'm experiencing that now with my current school projects. The grades not great but I've learned so much by failing and spending hours banging my head against the wall. The grades not there but I'm learning so much so I'm happy.
 
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That's something you need to talk ro a professional about. It is a fact. They can help you with how you feel about it.

Grad school in physics isn't going to happen. Yeah, never say never, but planning on this is unrealistic.

Its good that you seem to have found your niche in programming. Be sure you understand programming algorithms, data structures, variable scope and typing, etc. While there are jobs for people who don't know these things, they are getting scarcer,
Oh don't worry, I know more than some of my computer science friends. I've used data structures and algorithms to make some mini games
 
CrysPhys said:
Well, since your future appears to lie in programming, why don't you look to Bill Gates for inspiration? You know, the guy who famously dropped out of Harvard to found Microsoft? And since your list of "great scientists" (though really limited to physicists) includes physicists stretching waaay back to Newton, take a look at Michael Faraday as a counter-example. There are many other counter-examples, if you do your homework (especially if you broaden your scope to include fields outside of physics).
My inspiration for this whole programming journey is actually Eric barons the creator of stardew valley
 

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