How much energy does wind contribute to the Earth's atmosphere?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the energy contribution of wind to the Earth's atmosphere, particularly in relation to weather patterns and atmospheric dynamics. Participants explore various methods to quantify this energy, considering both the work done by wind and the dissipation of energy as heat.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to quantify the energy in the atmosphere due to wind by relating it to the work done by moving gases and the potential energy associated with wind force.
  • Some participants argue that most of the wind's energy is dissipated as frictional heat rather than performing physical work.
  • Another participant suggests calculating a "mean wind speed" for the atmosphere, squaring it, and multiplying by half the mass to estimate energy.
  • A later reply proposes using data from tropical cyclones, which release significant heat energy, as a basis for scaling estimates to the atmosphere as a whole.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of wind energy, particularly regarding its dissipation as heat versus its capacity to perform work. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on how to approach the energy estimation.

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Limitations include the complexity of variables involved in atmospheric dynamics and the need for specific definitions and scaling factors when estimating energy contributions.

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I'm looking at an idea exploring the nature of the atmosphere and weather patterns.

The number of variables is truly staggering.

In want to know if anyone here knows how energetic the atmosphere is in terms of wind.

It seems that wind is essentially the process of moving high and low pressures. What i am looking for is some type of quantity that averages out the amount of energy in all of the wind on Earth in a single day. So i guess you would take the amount of work done via the movement of the gases and constituents and then relate that to the "potential energy" of a day in terms of wind force.

Any suggestions?
 
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Most of the winds energy is dissipated as frictional heat, not physical work.
 


Xnn said:
Most of the winds energy is dissipated as frictional heat, not physical work.
I'll take that a step further: most of the wind energy that does physical work is still dissipated as frictional heat!
 


... or, you can look for a "mean wind speed" for the atmosphere as a whole, square it, and multiply by half the mass.
 


Isn't there work done in the creation of heat via friction?

EDIT: i guess that's what russ is saying...
 
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If you're after an order-of-magnitude estimate, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone#Mechanics" might do as a basis:

[A] tropical cyclone releases heat energy at the rate of 50 to 200 exajoules (1018 J) per day, equivalent to about 1 PW (1015 watt).

Just needs scaling from one storm to the atmosphere as a whole, but the other necessary stats shouldn't be hard to find.
 
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