How Much Extra Rope is Needed to Raise it One Meter Above the Earth?

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem involving the calculation of additional rope needed to raise a rope tied around the Earth by one meter. Participants explore the implications of this problem for both the Earth and a tennis ball, examining the geometry involved in the scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the new circumference when the rope is raised by one meter, arriving at a formula that includes the original circumference and an additional term involving π.
  • Another participant asserts that the extra length of rope needed is consistently 2π meters, regardless of the radius of the object being wrapped.
  • A third participant mentions prior discussions on this problem, noting that most university students were able to solve it quickly, while one struggled with the notation used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the additional length of rope needed being related to the geometry of the situation, specifically 2π meters. However, the discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the problem and differing perspectives on the notation and approach used.

Contextual Notes

Participants express differing assumptions about the nature of the objects involved (Earth vs. tennis ball) and the implications of the problem's geometry. The discussion does not resolve these nuances.

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Individuals interested in mathematical puzzles, geometry, or those studying related concepts in mathematics or physics may find this discussion relevant.

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I'm collecting some data for school and need data from as many people as possible. Thanks!

Who can solve this problem in one try without looking at the answer?A fool wants to tie a rope around the earth. So he buys a rope of 40,000 KM and ties it around the world. His neighbour, also a fool, wants to do the same only he wants the rope on sticks 1 meter above the ground.

How much more rope does he need?

And how much more rope do you need when you use a tennis ball instead of the earth?Be honest! And be sure to leave a post saying whether or not you get it on the first try!

The answer can be found at http://mindcipher.com/puzzle/42-don-t-hang-yourself

Thanks for your help!
 
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If the circumference of the Earth is 40,000 then the radius is \frac{20000}{\pi}. So the circumference in the second instance is 2 \pi \left(\frac{20000}{\pi} + \frac{1}{1000}\right) = 40000 + \frac{\pi}{500}. Obviously a tennis ball would be the same thing. That was my first try.
 
He needs an extra 2\pi metres of rope, regardless of the radius of the object it was wrapped around.

First try, although I have seen this problem before. (I got it the first try then as well.)I believe that even if you wrap the rope around a non-circular object (with reasonable restrictions; using a convex object will suffice), you would still have to add 2\pi metres to make each point on the rope 1 metre from the object.
 
We actually had a discussion on this after a math society meeting (I've seen the question before and answered it on my first try for the record). 9 out of 10 university students were able to get the answer right on the first try, the 10th took 10 minutes of explaining because "your notation is stupid"
 

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