Raising humidity - how much water is needed?

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of raising humidity levels in a small room from 35% to 55% using a custom swamp cooler. Participants explore the calculations needed to determine the amount of water required and consider factors such as temperature, air leakage, and condensation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the volume of water needed to raise humidity in a 16 m3 room from 35% to 55%, seeking an approximation for container size.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of temperature in determining how much water air can hold at different humidity levels and suggests using online tables for calculations.
  • A participant mentions plans to control the swamp cooler's operation automatically and provides estimated winter and summer temperatures.
  • One suggestion involves using a psychrometric chart to calculate the water needed based on the room's volume and the desired humidity levels, while noting that air leakage will affect the required continuous water addition.
  • Concerns are raised about potential moisture loss due to condensation on cooler surfaces, which could affect humidity levels.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the factors influencing humidity control, including temperature and air leakage, but no consensus is reached on the exact calculations or methods to be used.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the problem, including the need for specific temperature data and the impact of air leakage, which remains unresolved.

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Hello, my first post here so nice to meet you all :)

I have a question. Let's take a small room, about about 16 m^3 (172 feet^3). This room has a very low humidity, especially in the winter. It is around 35%, i would like to raise it to 55% with a custom made swamp cooler. I am trying to figure out how much water would be needed for that in order to figure out how big of a container with water i need to have, to only add water every few months. So i need 2 things:

1) How much water it takes to raise humidity in the room from 35% to 55% if we assume there is no fresh dry air coming in
2) A good way to calculate how much fresh air is actualy coming into the room if we assume that during the winter windows are mostly shut (cold air from outside will lower the humidity fast, so we want to avoid opening windows except maybe few minutes a day)

I know this is really difficult to answer but i am looking really for an aproximation. to know if i need 10L container, 20L, 30L and so on.
 
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One important factor that you haven't mentioned is the temperature - that affects the quantity of water the air will hold at any given relative humidity. But with that information, you'll find tables online that let you calculate the amount of water you'll need to add.

How do you plan to control your swamp cooler so it won't push the humidity above your target 55%?
Is there any possibility of losing moisture to condensation on the windows or other surfaces that will be cooler than the room?
 
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I plan to control the humidity with switching the cooler on/off automaticly with my simple esp8266 board. The temperature, its hard to say, i would say about 21C during winter and around 26C in the sumer. As for condensation i am not sure how much is lost.
 
Search for a psychrometric chart. The psychrometric chart shows the amount of water per cubic meter of air at any combination of temperature and humidity. Find the amounts of water at the two humidities, subtract, multiply by the volume of the room, and the result is how much water you need to add.

You will find that adding that much water will raise the humidity by the desired amount, after which the humidity will start to decrease. All rooms have air leakage. The amount of water that you need to continuously add in order to maintain the humidity at your desired level is proportional to the amount of air leakage and the humidity of the outside air.

Indoor humidity in cold weather should be low enough that you do not get condensation. Condensation causes rot and mold, both of which are bad.
 
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