How much heat energy in molten glass?

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The discussion revolves around the heat energy contained in molten glass, particularly focusing on how much energy would be lost during the cooling process of a cubic meter of glass. Participants explore the specific heat capacity of glass, the concept of latent heat, and the physical properties of glass as it transitions from a molten state to a solid state.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the heat energy in a cubic meter of molten glass and the energy loss during cooling.
  • Another participant mentions that the specific heat capacity of glass varies with temperature and provides a link for reference.
  • There is a question about whether glass has a latent heat of fusion or melting.
  • Some participants discuss the characterization of glass as a viscous amorphous liquid, noting the absence of a first-order phase transition during solidification.
  • One participant asserts that glass does not have a latent heat of fusion and critiques the notion that glass is a liquid as an oversimplification.
  • There is a discussion about the thickness of glass in old windows, with some attributing it to historical installation practices rather than flow due to gravity.
  • Participants reference an article by John Baez to clarify misconceptions about glass and its properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether glass has a latent heat of fusion and the implications of its physical properties. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the characterization of glass and the reasons for the thickness of old window glass.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the specific heat capacity of glass may change with temperature, and there are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of phase transitions in glass.

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How much heat energy is in a cubic meter of molten glass?

I would like to know how much energy would be lost if a cubic meter of glass would be allowed to cool, instead of turning the energy into something else.
 
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Does glass have a latent heat of fusion/melting? Just wondering.
 
Hmm, I seem to recall glass characterized as a very viscous amorphous liquid, thus no phase change on solidification.

Some people claim that glass is actually a supercooled liquid because there is no first order phase transition as it cools. In fact, there is a second order transition between the supercooled liquid state and the glass state, so a distinction can still be drawn. The transition is not as dramatic as the phase change that takes you from liquid to crystalline solids. There is no discontinuous change of density and no latent heat of fusion. The transition can be detected as a marked change in the thermal expansivity and heat capacity of the material. [my emphasis]

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/Glass/glass.html
 
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CWatters said:
Does glass have a latent heat of fusion/melting?

It does not. (But the "glass is a liquid" meme is an oversimplification designed more to produce a 'wow' than actual enlightenment)
 
Vanadium 50 said:
It does not. (But the "glass is a liquid" meme is an oversimplification designed more to produce a 'wow' than actual enlightenment)
Also, there is a belief that the glass in old windows is thicker at the bottom than at the top because it has 'flowed downwards'. I think the reason is not to do with flowing but because the glass was always put in that way for strength.
 
All that is made clear in John Baez' article, the 'simplification' (of one only order phase transition) and mass orientation ("The sheets were thicker towards the edge of the disc and were usually installed with the heavier side at the bottom.").

But for strength?
 
[QUOTE="Doug Huffman, post: 4958953, member: 106968"
But for strength?/QUOTE]
Strength for two reasons. Handling is safer if you are holding the pane up to the space and shifting the pane around when it's resting on the ledge would de less risky.
Otoh it could be just cosmetic and putting the clearest bit up in the sky direction.
 
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