How much rocket fuel is burned in the first mile/kilometer?

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The discussion revolves around the amount of rocket fuel consumed during the initial ascent of rockets, specifically focusing on the first mile or kilometer of flight. Participants explore various rocket types, including single-stage and multi-stage vehicles, and consider factors such as fuel efficiency and performance losses during launch.

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  • Some participants inquire about the percentage of fuel burned by rockets during the initial ascent, suggesting figures like 10% for the first mile or kilometer.
  • Others note that no Earth-launched single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO) vehicles have been constructed, emphasizing the use of multi-stage rockets for launching satellites.
  • A participant proposes a revised question regarding the fuel requirements for the Space Shuttle and Saturn rockets during their initial ascent.
  • One participant references the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation to illustrate that a significant portion of a rocket's initial mass (up to 88.4%) may need to be propellant to achieve low Earth orbit.
  • Another participant discusses the inefficiencies of SSTO designs, suggesting that multi-stage rockets are more practical due to performance losses and the need for stronger engines.
  • Concerns are raised about the trade-offs between engine efficiency, thrust, and the acceleration experienced during launch, with specific performance metrics provided for different rockets.
  • Participants highlight the impact of gravity losses and atmospheric drag on rocket performance during the initial ascent, noting that these factors complicate the evaluation of fuel efficiency.

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Participants express varying views on the efficiency and practicality of SSTO versus multi-stage rockets, with no consensus reached on the optimal design or fuel consumption metrics during the initial ascent.

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The discussion includes assumptions about rocket performance, such as exhaust velocity and specific thrust characteristics, which may not be universally applicable. Additionally, the calculations and estimates provided depend on idealized scenarios that may not account for all real-world variables.

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Take a typical single-stage rocket that reaches low Earth orbit (that's around 2000 km).

How much fuel is burnt just to get the thing a foot off the ground? Or a kilometer or a mile? 10%?
 
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vjk2 said:
Take a typical single-stage rocket that reaches low Earth orbit (that's around 2000 km).

How much fuel is burnt just to get the thing a foot off the ground? Or a kilometer or a mile? 10%?
According to this site - http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Single-stage-to-orbit.html - "No Earth-launched SSTO launch vehicles have ever been constructed." Even the Space Shuttle uses booster rockets to lift the external tank with the shuttle. Most satellites are delivered with mutltistage launch vehicles.

To put things into perspective - http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/expeditions/expedition30/tryanny.html

http://www.braeunig.us/space/propel.htm
 
Oops.

Okay, repurpose the question. For the space shuttle and Saturn rockets, how much fuel is needed to get off the ground? A km/mile?

HOw much is saved by ejecting spent stages?
 
You can calculate it yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation
from this page:
A hypothetical example from the wiki page:

Assume an exhaust velocity of 4.5 km/s and a \Delta v of 9.7 km/s (Earth to LEO).

Single stage to orbit rocket: 1-e^{-9.7/4.5} = 0.884, therefore 88.4% of the initial total mass has to be propellant. The remaining 11.6% is for the engines, the tank, and the payload. In the case of a space shuttle, it would also include the orbiter.
 
Single stage launchers to orbit have not been done. Performance would suffice easily since several decades ago, but an SSTO wouldn't be very efficient. Additionally, it would need an engine that throttles much stronger than they presently do, so the acceleration remains bearable at the end, adn preferably that is efficient in the atmosphere and in vacuum - but if using two engines with different thrust, why throw them away both at the end instead of successively?

So SSTO makes sense mainly if the launcher is reusable - and this can be done easily with two stages.

Also, most launchers want to go to GTO or GSO, not LEO, and then a single stage is much harder.

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Quite a bit performance is lost at the beginning. This would improve if accelerating stronger, BUT
- A stronger engine with the same nozzle diameter is less efficient
- An engine as strong that lifts more propellant delivers more payload for nearly the same cost.

As a result, launchers lift-off at 1+0.3G to sometimes 1+0.6G, though Saturn V had only 1+0.17G.

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If starting at 1+0.3G as is common, the first km is reached after 26s, it costs 336m/s performance while the launcher has only 77m/s there, so the weak acceleration wastes 259m/s performance in the first km - over some 9500m/s performance to reach low orbit.

Atmospheric drag is very small on medium or big launchers. This would enable a stronger acceleration as well, but faster through the air means a stronger stress on the launcher.

When evaluating the gravity losses on a launcher, one should not compare the performance with the orbital speed! The altitude needs some performance as well, with an ideal Hohmann transfer to circular 400km consuming about 1000m/s over the orbital speed.

Neither are the estimated 259m/s what launch from an aeroplane or mountain would bring.

Put together, an idealized launch scenario would save less than 1000m/s performance or just 1/3 of the start mass - which tells why most launchers are desperately classical. Earbreathing would bring more only if used at an important fraction of the 9500m/s, which is not even considered presently.
 

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