How Much Work Can Methanol Fuel Generate in Different Energy Systems?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work generated from methanol (CH3OH) in different energy systems, specifically an internal combustion engine and a fuel cell. The problem involves thermodynamic efficiency and energy release calculations related to the combustion of methanol.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the energy release from the combustion of methanol and its conversion into work, questioning the relevant thermodynamic equations needed for the calculations. There is a focus on understanding the efficiency of the internal combustion engine and the maximum work derivable from a fuel cell.

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Some participants have attempted calculations based on the energy release values provided, while others express uncertainty about how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the combustion temperature of methanol and its implications for fuel cell efficiency. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between combustion and thermodynamic principles, but no consensus has been reached on the methods to apply.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and assumptions related to thermodynamic efficiency and the specific processes of combustion versus fuel cell operation. There is mention of the need to clarify the differences between these systems and their respective efficiencies.

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Homework Statement


An internal combustion engine operated with methanol (CH3OH) as the fuel has a thermodynamic efficiency of 20%.
a) How much work is derived from burning one mole of ethanol in the engine?
b) What is the max work that could be derived by reacting the methanol with pure oxygen in a fuel cell at 25 C?


Homework Equations



For CH3OH + (3/2)O2 -> CO2 + 2H2)
G = -702.36 kJ at 25 C
H = -726.51 kJ at 25 C


The Attempt at a Solution


Not too sure how to even start this problem, as I don't know what relevant thermodynamic equations I need to use. Hoping someone could please point me in the right direction.
 
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megid said:

Homework Statement


An internal combustion engine operated with methanol (CH3OH) as the fuel has a thermodynamic efficiency of 20%.
a) How much work is derived from burning one mole of ethanol in the engine?
b) What is the max work that could be derived by reacting the methanol with pure oxygen in a fuel cell at 25 C?


Homework Equations



For CH3OH + (3/2)O2 -> CO2 + 2H2)
G = -702.36 kJ at 25 C
H = -726.51 kJ at 25 C


The Attempt at a Solution


Not too sure how to even start this problem, as I don't know what relevant thermodynamic equations I need to use. Hoping someone could please point me in the right direction.
How much energy is released from the combustion of one mole of CH3OH? That is the input energy. If the efficiency is 20%, how much of that is converted into work?

For part b) you have to figure out the combustion temperature of the methanol and then work out the maximum efficiency of a reversible cycle operating between that temperature and 25C (298K).

AM
 
So the energy release is -702.36 kJ and 20% of that would be -140.47 kJ which would be the work done?

Also, I haven't really a clue how to start b even after the hint you gave me... I don't know how to find the combustion temp of methanol. I'm sorry for all the questions, but I really am lost. I don't want anyone to hold my hand, because I really want to understand this.
 
megid said:
So the energy release is -702.36 kJ and 20% of that would be -140.47 kJ which would be the work done?
If your figures are correct, that is correct.

Also, I haven't really a clue how to start b even after the hint you gave me... I don't know how to find the combustion temp of methanol. I'm sorry for all the questions, but I really am lost. I don't want anyone to hold my hand, because I really want to understand this.
If you combust one mole of methanol, how many moles of O2 do you consume? How many moles of CO2 and H2O does that combustion produce? What are the specific heats at constant volume of these products of combustion? Now add the heat energy released in that combustion and determine the resulting change in temperature: \Delta T = \Delta U/nC_v

AM
 
For part b, I don't want to seem stupid, but are you sure that's the method for fuel cells? Because it seems like you're still talking about combustion engines.
 
megid said:
For part b, I don't want to seem stupid, but are you sure that's the method for fuel cells? Because it seems like you're still talking about combustion engines.
The energy produced in the fuel cell is from the combustion of methanol. The fuel cell somehow turns that heat energy into electricity in an efficient way. But the maximum efficiency is determined by the thermodynamic limit, regardless of the technology. That is simply a matter of the second law of thermodynamics.

In looking at your previous answer, you have to use the \Delta H of the reaction, not the \Delta G.

AM
 

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