How position of quarks decide the type of elementey particles ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the arrangement of quarks in protons and antiprotons and the classification of elementary particles. Participants explore the implications of quark positions and their naming conventions, as well as historical context regarding these terms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that protons and antiprotons are composed of quarks, suggesting that their arrangement determines their identity (e.g., two up quarks and one down quark for protons).
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the initial claim and requests clarification.
  • A later reply clarifies that the terms 'up' and 'down' for quarks do not relate to their spatial positions.
  • One participant explains that the proton consists of two up quarks and one down quark, while the antiproton consists of their corresponding antiparticles.
  • Another participant notes that the names 'up' and 'down' originated from isotopic spin representations, not spatial orientation.
  • Further contributions mention that quark names are arbitrary and do not reflect physical properties, with additional references to quark color charges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the names of quarks do not relate to their spatial positions. However, there remains some confusion regarding the implications of quark arrangement on particle identity, indicating unresolved aspects of the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the initial claims and the relationship between quark positions and particle types, highlighting a need for clearer definitions and explanations.

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I red the book halliday resnick I come to know
protons and other such elementry particles are composed of further subparticles called quarks


also that these quarks decide rather its proton or antiproton
as if the arrangement of quarks are like 2up quarks up and 1down quark down then its proton
and if its 1down quark up and 2up quarks down then its antiproton
here comes my doubt if its so
while the proton and nutron interchanges their positions the proton moves down and up and left and right
at this time the proton's quarks postion changes to antiproton's quark position
but this doesn't happens ??
then how we can say that the position of quarks decide the type of elementry particle ??
 
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I'm sorry, but I didn't understand this. Could you perhaps rewrite it? Also, it would help to gave something more specific than just "some books".
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
I'm sorry, but I didn't understand this. Could you perhaps rewrite it? Also, it would help to gave something more specific than just "some books".


I re edited my thread and u can check it now rather itself explanatory to u know or not ??
 
Quarks come in different flavours, two of which are called "up" (##\mathrm{u}##) and "down" (##\mathrm{d}##), see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark. It has nothing to do with position.

The proton is made up of two up quarks and one down quark (##\mathrm{u}\mathrm{u}\mathrm{d}##). The antiproton is made up of the corresponding antiparticles to those quarks, ##\bar{\mathrm{u}}## for the up antiquark and ##\bar{\mathrm{d}}## for the down antiquark. Therefore, the antiproton is composed of ##\bar{\mathrm{u}} \bar{\mathrm{u}} \bar{\mathrm{d}}##.
 
The 'up' and 'down' names for quarks have no connection to up or down positions in space.
 
Ok it means proton uud and antiproton anti uud
not the positions
thanx all
 
Historically, the names 'up' and 'down' referred to a representation in (non-spatial) isotopic spin that sometimes used up and down arrows for those two quarks. The same representation later led to the names 'top' and 'bottom' for the two heaviest quarks.
 
Meir Achuz said:
Historically, the names 'up' and 'down' referred to a representation in (non-spatial) isotopic spin that sometimes used up and down arrows for those two quarks. The same representation later led to the names 'top' and 'bottom' for the two heaviest quarks.


ok yah I got it atlaaast
thanx all
 
Names of quarks are purely made up - nothing to do with physics. Note that the intermediate level quarks are named charm and strange.
 
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Then you have the quark color charges, red, green and blue, which have nothing to do with visual colors.
 

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