How Resonance in general, differ In Chemistry and Physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of resonance as it applies in both chemistry and physics, exploring definitions, examples, and the implications of resonance in molecular structures versus physical oscillations. Participants seek to clarify the differences and similarities between these contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether atoms resonate when subjected to waves, seeking clarification on the definition of resonance.
  • One participant explains that stable equilibria have restoring forces that lead to oscillations around equilibrium, which can resonate if disturbed at a preferred frequency.
  • Another participant relates physical resonance to chemical resonance, asking if they are fundamentally the same phenomenon.
  • A participant expresses confusion over the complexity of chemical resonance, describing it as a way to depict molecular bonds with delocalized electrons, and suggests that it may not involve actual resonance.
  • There is a suggestion to abandon the term "resonance" in chemistry due to its potential for confusion, highlighting the dual meanings of the term across disciplines.
  • One participant speculates about the possibility of resonating a chemical resonant molecule, questioning the feasibility of imposing external conditions to induce oscillation in delocalized electrons.
  • Another participant discusses the benzene ring as an example of resonance structures, noting that while these structures are useful, they represent classical approaches to quantum phenomena.
  • There is a contention regarding the classification of resonance structures, with one participant arguing for a quantum mechanical interpretation rather than a classical one, and mentioning their relevance in solid-state theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of resonance in chemistry versus physics, with no consensus reached on whether the concepts are fundamentally the same or distinct. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications and definitions of resonance in both fields.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding due to the complexity of definitions and the potential for confusion stemming from the use of the same term in different contexts. There are unresolved questions about the feasibility of inducing resonance in chemical systems.

Ronie Bayron
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Hi, I am just confused, regarding some definition above, I hope anybody can help explain differences.
Does atoms resonate when subjected to some wave?
 
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Any stable equilibrium has some restoring force that goes against disturbances. Disturbances can cause oscillations around the equilibrium. Those oscillations have a preferred frequency. If the frequency of a repetitive disturbance is close to that preferred frequency there can be resonance.

This harmonic oscillator phenomenon is ubiqitous in science. Kids on a swing have no difficulty with the issue. Why should you be confused ?

Perhaps you can give some examples of where specifically you have problems ?
 
BvU said:
Any stable equilibrium has some restoring force that goes against disturbances. Disturbances can cause oscillations around the equilibrium. Those oscillations have a preferred frequency. If the frequency of a repetitive disturbance is close to that preferred frequency there can be resonance.

Exactly, how do you relate that to chemical resonance? Are they the same?
 
Boy, do these chemists make things complicated ! I had to look it up to find it's a way of describing a molecular bond with delocalized electrons. An intermediate structure is energetically favorable over canonical Lewis structures. There are a lot of similarities (a minimum in a potential), but I can't distinguish whether there is something resonating or not (I think there isn't, actually (*) -- it's just a way of describing a structure).

By now I understand your confusion :smile:. Dimwit chemists ! Let's call for help: @Borek @Chestermiller ?

(*) reading on in the link I find that confirmed under "misconception" ! And I heartily agree with the suggestion to abandon the "resonance" term. Confusing, as you found.
 
BvU said:
Boy, do these chemists make things complicated ! I had to look it up to find it's a way of describing a molecular bond with delocalized electrons. An intermediate structure is energetically favorable over canonical Lewis structures. There are a lot of similarities (a minimum in a potential), but I can't distinguish whether there is something resonating or not (I think there isn't, actually -- it's just a way of describing a structure).

By now I understand your confusion :smile:. Dimwit chemists ! Let's call for help: @Borek @Chestermiller ?
I guess an english word sometimes has two different meaning.:cry: too bad if it falls on almost the same field. Digesting from the answer of yours, this is the next awkward question.--> Could we possibly, resonate a chemical resonant molecule?:woot: Boy, am I wrong, or I am wrong? Crazy isn't it?
 
I think that would be pretty complicated.

For e.g. the benzene ring I it seems as good as impossible to impose external conditions (a hexapole field?) that make the delocalized electrons swing back and forth between left and right neighbours.

I see little physical difference between what you ask and e.g. letting H2 oscillate between H+H- and H-H+ which may be somewhat less impossible. But if it can be done ? No idea. Any ideas from the experts ?
 
Resonance structures in chemistry are a classical approach to quantum mechanical phenomena. The example of benzene is a good one: resonance structures are necessary to move around the double bonds, while the actual electronic wave function is stationary and delocalized.

While an imperfect representation, in his book The Nature of the Chemical Bond, Pauling argues that the use of resonant structures is on equal footing with drawing lines for single and double bonds, etc. It is not prefect, but it is still a useful classical representation of what happens in a molecules.
 
DrClaude said:
While an imperfect representation, in his book The Nature of the Chemical Bond, Pauling argues that the use of resonant structures is on equal footing with drawing lines for single and double bonds, etc. It is not prefect, but it is still a useful classical representation of what happens in a molecules.

I wouldn't call it a classical representation. Rather, it is a quantum mechanical superposition of valence bond structures. It is not that different from the superposition of different Slater determinants in molecular orbital theory where this is called "configuration interaction". In solid state theory, "resonating valence bond" states are still a hot candidate for the ground state in high temperature superconductors.
 

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