How Should Electric Potential Energy Be Ranked at Point P?

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The discussion revolves around ranking electric potential energy at a specific point, denoted as point P, in relation to four different cases involving point charges. The subject area includes concepts of electric potential and potential energy in electrostatics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definitions of electric potential and potential energy, questioning how these concepts relate to the ranking of energies at point P. There is an attempt to derive relationships using the equations for electric potential and potential energy.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the definitions and relationships between electric potential and potential energy, suggesting a clearer understanding of the problem. However, there is no explicit consensus on the ranking of the electric potential energies at point P.

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Participants are discussing the implications of the electric potential defined in terms of work done by the electric field, as well as the assumptions regarding the distances from point charges involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement



Rank the electric potential energy at point ##P## for the following four cases:

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##\Delta U_e = - W_∞##

The Attempt at a Solution



I believe it should be ##U_2 > U_1 > U_3 > U_4##, but I am not certain.
 
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Why do you think what you believe? How is electric potential defined? And what is the electric potential at distance r from a point charge q?

ehild
 
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ehild said:
Why do you think what you believe? How is electric potential defined? And what is the electric potential at distance r from a point charge q?

ehild

Ah I see, so ##V = k \frac{q}{r}## in combination with ##V = \frac{U_e}{q}##.

This yields ##U_2 > U_1 = U_3 = U_4##.

Thank you.
 
Zondrina said:
Ah I see, so ##V = k \frac{q}{r}## in combination with ##V = \frac{U_e}{q}##.

This yields ##U_2 > U_1 = U_3 = U_4##.

Thank you.

The solution is correct now.

Yes, the potential is the potential energy of a unit positive charge at a certain point of the electric field. It is defined with the work done by the field:
The potential at a point P is equal to the work done by the electric field on a unit positive charge while it moves from P to the place where the potential is zero.

You know from Gauss Law that the electric field around a charge q is E=kq/r2. It is a conservative field. The potential U(r_P) is the work on a unit positive charge when it moves from rP to infinity: U(r_P)=W\big |_{r_P}^{\infty}=\int _{r_P}^{\infty}{\frac{kq}{r^2}dr}=k\frac{q}{r_P}.

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