How stable are caves over time?

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The discussion revolves around the stability of caves over time, particularly in the context of geological and archaeological timescales. Participants explore the factors that may lead to cave collapse and the longevity of caves as geological features.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that cave stability varies significantly depending on specific conditions at each site.
  • It is proposed that cave collapse may not be inevitable, as stability can be influenced by surrounding material and external agents like erosion.
  • One participant notes that while caves may be stable on archaeological timescales, they are subject to erosion and collapse over geological timescales.
  • There is a question raised about the average lifespan of caves, particularly in relation to geological timescales, which can span millions of years.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that cave stability is contingent on various factors, but there is no consensus on the inevitability of cave collapse or the average lifespan of caves.

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Limitations include the lack of specific definitions for "geological timescale" and "archaeological timescale," as well as unresolved questions regarding the average lifespan of caves.

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Especially over geologically significant intervals of time?

Is cave collapse inevitable?
 
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Simfish said:
Especially over geologically significant intervals of time?

Is cave collapse inevitable?
Since some of our oldest archaeolgical finds come from caves, I'd say that a lot are fairly sound. Of course there is no standard, it would vary from site to site.
 
Well surely, as Evo says, it must depend upon conditions.

Once formed what is there to cause failure of a hole?
What actually sometimes fails is the material around the hole perhaps because of chemical degradation or Earth movement.
Sometimes the material does not fail, it is simply removed by an external agent such as the sea in the case of coastal caves, removing a whole cliff including a cave.
Sometimes the cave creating agent widens the cavern until it can no longer span the gap so the roof falls in. This happens in the case of acidic groundwaters waters in limestone regions.

go well
 
On what sort of timescale? On an archeological timescale they are pretty stable. On a geologic one they aren't. They are a product of erosion, given enough time they are eroded away.
 
Oh, good points. Hm, let's see - how long do most caves last, on average? I was mostly thinking geological timescales, in the millions of years.
 

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