How the Human Eye Works & Its Impact on Vision

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of how the human eye works, particularly in relation to perception of size and image sharpness. Participants explore concepts such as accommodation, the role of the cornea and lens, and how the brain interprets visual information. The scope includes theoretical explanations and conceptual clarifications regarding vision and perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when viewing two objects of the same size, the further object appears smaller due to the light rays taking up less surface area on the retina, but questions why accommodation changes sharpness rather than size.
  • Another participant argues that perception of size is complex, influenced by head movement, relative angles for the eyes, and contextual cues, suggesting that the brain compensates for these factors.
  • A different participant mentions that the apparent size of the Sun and Moon near the horizon is due to brain interpretation rather than actual changes in retinal image size, emphasizing the role of reference points.
  • One participant explains that the closer object takes up a larger angular size due to geometric effects and clarifies that the cornea, not the lens, is primarily responsible for focusing light, affecting clarity underwater.
  • This same participant compares the lens to a fine-focus knob, stating that adjustments made by the lens are too small to notice and that vision is inherently unstable, complicating comparisons between blurred and sharp images.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of size perception and the roles of the cornea and lens in focusing light. There is no consensus on the explanations provided, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexities of visual perception.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding, such as the dependence on visual context and the complexities of brain interpretation, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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I can't understand how eye actually works. From what I understand when I look at 2 objects of the same size The object that is further is smaller in the final image because light rays reflected from it take smaller surface at the retina (Here B is smaller than A because rays take less surface at retina).
When I watch how accomodation works:

it seems it changes the shape of lens so less part of retina and fovea (most sensitive part of retina if I am correct) is covered by light rays. So why doesn't it change the size of the final image we see and instead change sharpness of image ?​
 
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Perception of size is more complicated than that. For example, if you move your head closer to an object, to some extent it appears bigger. But your vision system also compensates to some degree and makes it appear closer. This is because your vision is taking place to some extent in the nerves and brain. The size of the image on the retina changes, that is part of it. But also the relative angle for the two eyes changes. And some other stuff.

Size is also judged, quite automatically and without you thinking about it, by such things as relative size of things you (think you) know the size of, what is in front of what, how fast they are moving, etc. This process can be fooled sometimes. For example, this is why very large planes like a 747 seem to not be moving that quickly, while much smaller planes like a Cesna seem to be moving much faster.
 
Also this is why the Sun and Moon seem bigger when near the horizon.
They are not actually producing a bigger image in the retina, this is to do with how the brain is interpreting the image.
They just SEEM bigger because of more reference points being in the field of view.
 
The primary effect is that, when two objects of the same size are located at different differences, the closer one takes up a large angular size. This is a geometric effect. Like your picture shows, the rays from the corners of the blue box have a much larger angle between them compared to the rays from the green box. This directly translates to the light from the blue box falling over a larger area of your retina than light from the green box.

Jihak45 said:
it seems it changes the shape of lens so less part of retina and fovea (most sensitive part of retina if I am correct) is covered by light rays. So why doesn't it change the size of the final image we see and instead change sharpness of image ?

First, it's important to understand that it is the cornea that is responsible for most of the focusing of the light, not the lens. This is why you can't see clearly underwater. The refractive index of water is much closer to the refractive index of your cornea than air is, so the cornea is much less effective at focusing the light, leading to a blurry image that your lens cannot compensate for.

The lens is like the fine-focus knob on my telescope. It brings objects into focus by making small adjustments to the light path to very slightly bending the light. The changes to the size of the image are much too small to notice, especially considering that your vision isn't very steady and you're trying to compare blurred vs sharp objects.
 
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