How to AC oscillate a HV capacitor?

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The discussion centers around the feasibility and methods for oscillating a high-voltage (HV) capacitor at a high AC frequency, specifically targeting a 400,000V, 20pF capacitor oscillating at 200kHz. Participants explore the use of a Tesla coil for this purpose and the associated challenges, including preventing sparking and understanding the effects of high voltage on surrounding air molecules.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to make a HV capacitor oscillate at a high frequency and questions whether a Tesla coil can achieve this without sparking.
  • Another participant suggests that while a Tesla coil may reach the desired voltage and frequency, preventing sparking could be challenging due to air breakdown at high voltages.
  • A different participant raises concerns about the practicality of achieving such high voltage and frequency, suggesting the possibility of using lower values.
  • There is a discussion about the potential use of strong dielectrics like mica or oil to insulate the capacitor and mitigate sparking.
  • One participant questions the purpose of the high voltage oscillation and expresses concern about safety when dealing with such high voltages.
  • Another participant mentions the dangers associated with high voltage, referencing the output of a car's HEI coil as a point of caution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of skepticism regarding the feasibility of oscillating a HV capacitor at the specified parameters. There is no consensus on the best approach or the practicality of the proposed method, and safety concerns are raised by multiple participants.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexities involved in high-voltage applications, including the need for safety precautions and the challenges of preventing electrical discharge. There are unresolved questions regarding the effectiveness of different methods proposed for achieving the desired oscillation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring high-voltage electronics, Tesla coil operation, and the effects of high-frequency electrical fields on surrounding environments.

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I have read, analyzed and researched so much, my eyes and mind are on a breaking point , therefore, what I really want to know , how and why.. is perhaps best summoned in what I really want to do in the end. So let's cut to the chase:

I just simply want make a HV capacitor oscillate at a high AC frequency?. How can I achieve that ?

Example: I want a 400000v 20pf capacitor to oscillate at say a frequency of 200khz( i.e. make it charge to positive, get it to zero, make it charge to negative and get back to zero each cycle - NO SPARKS anywhere of course) . Does a 400 000v, 200khz tesla coil with a 20pf top- load do the job I need? (since the top load do that at that frequency or am I wrong?)

I have been in this journey a long time now and despite hard work and dedication I feel I am reaching nowhere. I looked into LC circuits since there it seems that caps oscillate pretty quickly easily but I am not sure anymore about what I know. I do feel that I am reaching a dead end and I wish I could speak with someone knowledgeable about this to help me. To put it in another unpreferred way, I am reaching a rather desperate point. Your help is truly valued.

Kind regards
 
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I suppose a Tesla coil will do that voltage and frequency, but it may be difficult to stop it sparking/discharging because air will break down with those voltages.
 
Oh yes, stopping the top capacitance is an another problem. I just wanted to know for sure if a Tesla Coil´s top load oscillates at the resonant frequency at the Tesla Coil voltage. Insulating the capacitance in strong dielectric like mica or oil could help avoid sparkings maybe? It is the effects of air molecules bombardment around a rapidly alternating surface that I am interested in analyzing , not sparking or streamers
 
What in the world do you want to do this for?
 
400 kV and 200 kHz sounds very difficult.
Can you use a lower voltage and or a lower frequency?

Just out of curiosity, at 400 kV how are you going to be able to get close enough to the surface to view molecules bombardment?

Good Luck
Carl
 
400,000 volts?

Although it's not continuous, a HEI coil off a car produces like 50,000 volts...if you get hit by that your going to know it. 8 times that amperage and wow...you better be careful...
 
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Thread will remain closed. Discussions about DIY HV apparatus are a bit too problematic for the EE forum, IMO, because of the broad range of experience levels that folks have (it's the less experienced users that I'm concerned about).

@leviterande -- The wikipedia page on Tesla Coils should answer your questions. Please pay particular attention to the section on "High frequency electrical safety".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil

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