How to apply e=mc^2 to a photon?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Einstein's equation E=mc² to photons, questioning how energy can be considered relative when photons have zero rest mass. It highlights the concept of "relativistic mass" and its confusion in understanding energy and momentum in different reference frames. The Lorentz factor is mentioned as a means to relate energy measurements between observers moving at different velocities. Additionally, the conversation touches on the nature of photons in mediums, explaining that while they always travel at the speed of light, their apparent speed can change due to interactions with matter. Overall, the thread emphasizes the complexities of relativistic physics and the need for clear explanations to address common misconceptions.
  • #31
I'll try and paraphrase what Zz posted in order to make it easier to understand. Solids are made up of a network of ions (charged particles, in this case atoms) and electrons. Imagine that the atoms are balls, evenly spaced forming a cubic lattice, with springs connecting one atom to the next something like http://www.teachmetuition.co.uk/Chemistry/Chemicalstructureandbonding/cubeionstotal.gif" . These lattices have vibrational energy levels, similar to the energy levels in an atom. Now, when a photon enters a solid, it can interact with these energy levels; if the photon has an energy equal to one of the lattice vibrational energy levels, then the photon is absorbed. However, if the photon has an energy greater than any of the lattice vibrational energy levels the lattice will absorb the photon, but since there is too much energy for the lattice to absorb, it releases the energy in the form of another photon. However, there is a time delay between the lattice absorbing the first photon and emitting the second while the lattice tries to absorb the photon energy. A photon may 'hop' between springs while traveling through a solid, so although photons always travel at c in a solid they 'appear' to slow down while they are absorbed and re-emitted by the energy levels.

Does that make sense?

Caveat lector - much of this (in fact the majority of it) is not scientifically accurate, but does convey the 'gist' of the mechanisms.
 
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  • #32
Im getting a hang of wat ur saying.But can u please answer my previous question based on the time taken by a photon to traverse the same distance in a refracting medium and also in vacuum.Thank you
 
  • #33
anantchowdhary said:
Hey,is it that the photon's time to cover that distance thru a refracting medium gets prolonged in comparison to its normal time taken to pass thru a distance?Im sry I am in a mess
Yes, in general it will take light longer to travel through a refracting medium than through free space. Although please note that photons travel at c through the refracting medium. And there's no need to apologise, we're all here to learn.
 
  • #34
Hey so if it takes a longer time then isn't Fermat's Principle of least time being violated
Also so a photon has to be two dimensional as viewed by us,is it?Cuz it ha no length also it duznt travel thru time?
 
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anantchowdhary said:
Hey so if it takes a longer time then isn't Fermat's Principle of least time being violated
Not if you correctly understand the principle.
anantchowdhary said:
Also so a photon has to be two dimensional as viewed by us,is it?Cuz it ha no length also it duznt travel thru time?
From our point of view photons do experience time.
 
  • #36
ohk i get ur second point but not the first.Could you please elaborate
 
  • #37
anantchowdhary said:
ohk i get ur second point but not the first.Could you please elaborate

Einstein once said, "for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction".
If you take Fermats' work and apply time/distance to the concept, that's what it equals.
It could be that what fermat meant by path of least time is less energy expended. For light to change direction would require a greater energy expenditure.
But to follow its' path, it will be conserving energy.
Hope this helps.
 
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Jimmini said:
Einstein once said, "for every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction".

Whilst Einstein may have said it, this is Newton's third law!
 
  • #39
cristo said:
Whilst Einstein may have said it, this is Newton's third law!

I like Einstein better :).
 

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