How to caculate the inverse metric tensor

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the inverse metric tensor from a given metric tensor, with a focus on understanding the correct methodology for inverting a non-diagonal matrix. Participants explore different approaches and results, referencing specific examples and tools like Mathematica.

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  • One participant presents a metric tensor and proposes a method for calculating its inverse by inverting the entries, which is challenged by others.
  • Another participant states that the method of simply inverting entries is valid only for diagonal matrices, implying that the provided metric tensor is not diagonal.
  • A different participant shares their result from Mathematica, which differs from both the original proposal and the author's answer, raising questions about the correctness of the calculations.
  • Some participants assert that the metric tensor should be symmetric, suggesting that the original metric tensor may have been incorrectly stated.
  • One participant defends the original metric tensor's correctness, claiming it was copied accurately from a referenced paper.
  • There is a recognition of the importance of symmetry in metric tensors, with one participant acknowledging their oversight regarding this property.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the correctness of the metric tensor and the methods used to calculate its inverse. While some agree on the necessity of symmetry in metric tensors, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations and interpretations presented.

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Participants reference the need for a proper understanding of matrix inversion techniques and the implications of symmetry in metric tensors. There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the input and output of computational tools.

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Given a metric tensor gmn, how to calculate the inverse of it, gmn. For example, the metric
[tex] g_{\mu \nu }= <br /> \left[ \begin{array}{cccc} f & 0 & 0 & -w \\ 0 & -e^m & 0 &0 \\0 & 0 & -e^m &0\\0 & 0 & 0 & -l \end{array} \right][/tex]

From basic understanding, I would think of divided it, that is
[tex] g^{\mu \nu }= <br /> \left[ \begin{array}{cccc} 1/f & 0 & 0 & -1/w \\ 0 & -e^{-m} & 0 &0 \\0 & 0 & -e^{-m} &0\\0 & 0 & 0 & -1/l \end{array} \right][/tex]

But the author gave some different answer, that is
[tex] g^{\mu \nu }= <br /> \left[ \begin{array}{cccc} \frac{l}{fl+w^2} & 0 & 0 & -\frac{w}{fl+w^2} \\ 0 & -e^{-m} & 0 &0 \\0 & 0 & -e^{-m} &0\\0 & 0 & 0 & -\frac{f}{fl+w^2}\end{array} \right][/tex]

So how should I calculate the inverse metric tensor as shown by the author?

Thanks
 
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The inverse metric is, like the name suggests, just the inverse matrix.

You should have learned how to calculate inverse matrices in Linear algebra, there are many methods.

The way you are trying, where you just invert the entries only works if the matrix is diagonal, which this one is not.
 
Matterwave said:
The inverse metric is, like the name suggests, just the inverse matrix.

You should have learned how to calculate inverse matrices in Linear algebra, there are many methods.

The way you are trying, where you just invert the entries only works if the matrix is diagonal, which this one is not.

Well, I thought the same way at first but I have tried find the inverse matrix but the result is different from the given one.
Mathematica give the me the inverse matrix as
[tex] g^{\mu \nu }= <br /> \left[ \begin{array}{cccc} \frac{1}{f} & 0 & 0 & -\frac{w}{fl} \\ 0 & -e^{-m} & 0 &0 \\0 & 0 & -e^{-m} &0\\0 & 0 & 0 & -\frac{1}{l} \end{array} \right][/tex]

That's why I wonder how the author get that result..
 
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Well in the first place you have written the metric tensor incorrectly. It should be symmetric. Also you have either entered it into Mathematica incorrectly, or incorrectly copied down the result. Really, you should be able to invert a simple matrix like this all by yourself!
 
Bill_K said:
Well in the first place you have written the metric tensor incorrectly. It should be symmetric. Also you have either entered it into Mathematica incorrectly, or incorrectly copied down the result. Really, you should be able to invert a simple matrix like this all by yourself!
Nope. It is correct. I copied the metric tensor and its inverse directly from the Mallett paper. I checked it many times. I copied it correctly. It is from Mallett paper on circulating beam. I don't think it is written wrongly in the paper.
 
I checked it many times.
That doesn't help if you lack the background. The metric tensor is always symmetric, that's why it is enough that Mallet provides g_03. g_30 = g_03 is implicit.
 
Ich said:
That doesn't help if you lack the background. The metric tensor is always symmetric, that's why it is enough that Mallet provides g_03. g_30 = g_03 is implicit.
I see. I think I know my mistake already. Thanks. for the help. I am new to this, always forget about the symmetric. Many thanks to all the help.
 
haha, I can't believe I didn't even notice the non-symmetry...>.>
 

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