How to Calculate Efficiency of a Van der Waals Gas Cycle?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the efficiency of a van der Waals gas cycle represented on a temperature-entropy (T-S) diagram. The original poster presents a problem involving n moles of gas following the van der Waals equation and seeks to determine the efficiency of a circular cycle parameterized by temperatures T_h and T_c.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the efficiency by integrating over curves on the T-S diagram to find heat inputs and outputs. Some participants question the representation of the cycle as a circle due to differing units of temperature and entropy, while others seek clarification on deriving expressions for temperature as a function of entropy.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the implications of the problem setup, with some providing insights into the representation of the cycle. There is an acknowledgment of the challenges in calculating the necessary integrals and the need for a proper expression relating T and S. No consensus has been reached regarding the approach to the efficiency calculation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the task specifies a circular representation on the T-S diagram, which raises questions about the validity of this representation given the differing units of temperature and entropy. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations based on the van der Waals equation.

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Homework Statement


n moles of gas, that follow van der Waals equation are to be employed as the auxiliary system in a circular cycle(parameterized using T_h and T_c as shown on the TS diagram. Calculate the efficiency of the cycle.
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Homework Equations


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, Q = TdS

The Attempt at a Solution


Idea is simple. I just divide circle curve horizontally in two two curves. Using Q = TdS , by integration over the top curve i obtain Q_(in), by integrating over the bottom curve i obtain Q_(out). Then i easily get efficiency using equation above. The only problem is, that i don't know, how to calculate those integrals with only van der Waals equation of state initially given.
 

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What is the equation for the area of an ellipse in terms of the semi major and semi minor axes?
 
Sorry, I wasn't precise enough, it has to be a circle, not an ellipse. I put that diagram more for an illustrative purpose.
 
TK421 said:
Sorry, I wasn't precise enough, it has to be a circle, not an ellipse. I put that diagram more for an illustrative purpose.
How can it be a circle if the units are different? If you change the units of either T or S, the shape changes.
 
Absolutely.
The task itself states, that we are given a cycle, which is represented as a circle on a T-S diagram, which is parameterized using T_h and T_c.
My main concern though is, how would i get an expression of T as a function of S...
 
TK421 said:
Absolutely.
The task itself states, that we are given a cycle, which is represented as a circle on a T-S diagram, which is parameterized using T_h and T_c.
My main concern though is, how would i get an expression of T as a function of S...
$$\left(\frac{T-\frac{(T_H+T_C)}{2}}{\frac{(T_H-T_C)}{2}}\right)^2+\left(\frac{S-\frac{(S_{max}+S_{min})}{2}}{\frac{(S_{max}-S_{min})}{2}}\right)^2=1$$
 
Like I said, since T and S have different units, you can't represent the variation as a circle on a T-S diagram. What don't you understand about this?
 
I do understand it now. Thank you :)
 
TK421 said:
I do understand it now. Thank you :)
So what do you get for the efficiency?
 

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