How to calculate friction of wheels of car?

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This discussion focuses on calculating the friction forces acting on a car with a mass of 1000 kg as it accelerates to a speed of 50 m/s. The proposed formula incorporates variables for acceleration (10 m/s²), friction coefficients (k=0.01 for wheels and c=0.0001 for air), and time (5 seconds), resulting in a total energy calculation of 62625 J. The conversation also highlights the importance of considering air resistance, which varies with speed, and suggests a method to measure friction loss through coasting distance.

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If car of mass m=1000 kg I want to accelerate to speed v=50 m/s then to me need to calculate friction of car axis on which puted wheels and friction of wheels into ground and air friction. So I suggesting such formula
m*a*t+k*m*a*S+c*m*a*S=m*a*t+k*0.5*m*v^2+0.5*c*m*v^2, where a is acceleration of car say a=10 m/s/s and S is distance which car made until got speed v=50 m/s and k is friction koeficient of car wheels inside car and to the ground and c is koeficient for air friction. I would give k=0.01 and c=0.0001 and t is 5 seconds. So total energy of car:
m*a*t+k*0.5*m*v^2+0.5*c*m*v^2= 1000*10*5+0.01*0.5*1000*50*50+0.0001*0.5*1000*50*50= 50000+12500+125= 62625 J.
If you can calculate better just calculate and show and don't blame my formula.
 
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If car of mass m=1000 kg I want to accelerate to speed v=50 m/s then to me need to calculate friction of car axis on which puted wheels and friction of wheels into ground and air friction. So I suggesting such formula
m*a*t+k*m*a*S+c*m*a*S=m*a*t+k*0.5*m*v^2+0.5*c*m*v^2, where a is acceleration of car say a=10 m/s/s and S is distance which car made until got speed v=50 m/s and k is friction koeficient of car wheels inside car and to the ground and c is koeficient for air friction. I would give k=0.01 and c=0.0001 and t is 5 seconds. So total energy of car:
m*a*t+k*0.5*m*v^2+0.5*c*m*v^2= 1000*10*5+0.01*0.5*1000*50*50+0.0001*0.5*1000*50*50= 50000+12500+125= 62625 J.
If you can calculate better just calculate and show and don't blame my formula.
To calculate the friction loss due to wheels you can give the car a known quantity of energy and then see how far it will coast on the flat. mv^2/2d = F = \mu_kN (You have to be careful not to give it too much speed to begin as the air resistance could be significant).

The problem with factoring in the air resistance is that it is proportional to speed or speed^2. Kinetic friction force on the wheels is a constant force.

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