How to Calculate the Diameter of an Orifice Plate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating the diameter of orifice plates for various applications involving fluid flow, particularly in heating systems and other scenarios where precise flow rates are required. Participants explore theoretical approaches, software tools, and practical considerations related to orifice sizing.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the orifice diameter for a spill loop in an oil heater, providing specific parameters such as temperature, pressure, and viscosity.
  • Another participant suggests using Bernoulli's equation for incompressible fluids and emphasizes the importance of a discharge coefficient for accuracy.
  • A participant shares a spreadsheet to assist with calculations but notes the necessity of knowing the differential pressure beforehand.
  • Some participants recommend software tools like FlowCalc for flow calculations, while others argue that hand calculations may suffice for smaller systems.
  • One participant describes a similar scenario with conflicting results from different software, highlighting issues with low Reynolds numbers and suggesting increasing flow rates to resolve discrepancies.
  • Another participant references ASME specifications regarding minimum Reynolds numbers for orifice flow and suggests alternative measurement methods for low flow scenarios.
  • Two participants request assistance with determining appropriate orifice sizes for specific temperature and pressure conditions in their applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the best methods for calculating orifice sizes, with some advocating for software solutions while others prefer manual calculations. There is no consensus on the optimal approach, and several participants report challenges related to low Reynolds numbers affecting their calculations.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions highlight limitations related to the assumptions made in calculations, such as the need for accurate differential pressure values and the implications of low flow rates on Reynolds number calculations. The relevance of specific standards and coefficients is also noted but remains unresolved.

Who May Find This Useful

Engineers and technicians involved in fluid dynamics, heating system design, and flow measurement may find this discussion relevant, particularly those facing challenges in orifice sizing and flow calculations.

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Hello,

I am trying to figure out how to calculate the diameter of an orifice for a pill loop in an oil heater and pump. The hot oil is used to heat fuel in a heat exchanger, and is driven by a positive displacement pump. There is a spill loop with an orifice plate, and the requirement is that the orifice must spill a specific flow when the oil is at 200C and 25psig. the pipework either side of the orifice plate is 2", and the kinematic viscosity of the oil at 200C is 1.2 cSt. I think this is all the info that is needed? How do I calculate what orifice size will give me what flow?
 
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Since you're dealing with, what can be considered, an incompressible fluid and the orifice is to meter the flow, you can simply use Bernoulli across the restriction. Here is a pretty good derivation of the basic orifice calculation:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orifice_plate

Note that since this is a pretty viscous fluid and not a gas, you don't need to worry about the expansion coefficient. If you need some decent accuracy, you should utilize literature to establish a discharge coefficient to handle minor losses that do not get handled in the derivation above.
 
Here's and example spreadsheet I threw together to help you figure it out. Of course, the catch 22 is that you must know (or reasonably estimate based on your experience with orifices) what the differential pressure is. Just plug the values in blue into worksheet and it will give you the flow rate out of the orifice.
 
Apparently I can't attached spreadsheets in this forum! Sorry! Here is a jpeg instead!
 

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Yeah there's a lot of programs out there to do it, but for something this small hand calcs generally work fine.
 
I have a similar scenario, where I am trying to calculate the orifice diameter... On using a couple of different softwares (Flow Cacl 32 and Instrucalc)... I'm getting two different results however I get the same error that my Reynolds number is too low...

Sizing for a liquid w/ SG=1.081, Operating Temp 93.30C, Operating Pressure 10203 kPag, Max. Flow = 2m3/hr and Normal Flow = 1.6m3/hr. Viscosity is 11.20 cP and the Dry Diff. Range = 0-250mbar. All of this is flowing through a 2" Sch 160 Pipe.

Any thoughts folks?
 
DecentMenace said:
I have a similar scenario, where I am trying to calculate the orifice diameter... On using a couple of different softwares (Flow Cacl 32 and Instrucalc)... I'm getting two different results however I get the same error that my Reynolds number is too low...

Sizing for a liquid w/ SG=1.081, Operating Temp 93.30C, Operating Pressure 10203 kPag, Max. Flow = 2m3/hr and Normal Flow = 1.6m3/hr. Viscosity is 11.20 cP and the Dry Diff. Range = 0-250mbar. All of this is flowing through a 2" Sch 160 Pipe.

Any thoughts folks?

The high pressure of 10.2 MPa combined with the low flow rate of 2m3/hr might create to small a pressure difference across the orifice to solve. Try increasing the flow rate and see if it solves and make a conclusion based upon that result and what you are asking to solve in the first case.
 
The ASME spec (MFC-14M-2001) that covers orifice flow in small bores dictates a minimum Re>1000. A rough calc shows that your Re~4150 at your max flow. The low limit may be a limit in that particular program for its calcs. Your flow rates are very low though, so it doesn't surprise me. I would look at other methods of measurement like a hot wire anemometer or possibly a Coriolis flow meter.
 
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I need help, hope somebody can give me a hint

Determine the appropiate orifice sizes for uniform exit temperatures of 140F from the four units in 70F ambient/ sea level pressure? Components (50W, 500W, 1000W and 300W)

Thank you
 
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I need help, hope you can give me a hint

Determine the appropiate orifice sizes for uniform exit temperatures of 140F from the four units in 70F ambient/ sea level pressure? Components (50W, 500W, 1000W and 300W)

Thank you
 

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