How to Calculate the Expectation Value of Kinetic Energy for Vibrating Nuclei?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation value of kinetic energy for a pair of vibrating nuclei, focusing on the ground state and involving quantum mechanical principles. The problem includes the use of wave functions and operators relevant to quantum mechanics.

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the expectation value and the appropriate use of wave functions. There are attempts to simplify integrals and clarify the application of operators to wave functions. Questions arise regarding the notation and the meaning of complex conjugates.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical structure of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of operators to wave functions, and there is an exploration of the relationship to the Schrödinger equation for the harmonic oscillator.

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Participants are navigating through the complexities of quantum mechanics, including assumptions about wave functions and the implications of using certain mathematical operations. There is a noted need for clarity on specific terms and notation used in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Calculate <K>, the expectation value of the kinetic energy for the ground state of a pair of vibrating nuclei (assume internuclear distance--hence -infinite to +infinite)

Homework Equations


K = -h2/2(mu) d2/dx2

where (mu) = reduced mass; m1m2/(m1+m2)
and
wave(x) = (a/pi)1/4 e(-ax2/2)
where a = (mu) (omega)/h

(Assume h = Planck's constant with dash)

The Attempt at a Solution


<K> = integral (x = -infinite to infinite) wave2(x) K(x) dx
= integral (a/pi)1/2 e(-ax2) -h2/2(mu) d2/dx2 dx
= -ah2/(2pi(mu)) integral e(-ax2) -h2/2(mu) d2/dx2 dx
= -a5/4h2/(2pi5/4(mu)) integral {-ae-3ax2/2 + a2x2e(-3ax2/2)}dx
...beyond, I don't know how to simplify the integral--have I done something wrong in the midway? I don't know how to integrate anymore. Any suggestions would be welcome!
 
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You'll notice that the operator K does not make sense without some function in front of it. $$\langle K \rangle = \int_{-\infty}^\infty \psi^\star(x)\hat K \psi(x)\; dx$$... would be more usual.
 
That's what I did--wave(x) is a psi (x)...
So, that's why I did psi2(x) which is wave2(x), and I still have trouble getting to the solution...

Plus, what's with asterisk on one psi? Could you pls explain? Thanks!
 
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Asterisk = complex conjugate

And ##{d\over dx}e^{-ax^2}## is not something with ##e^{-2ax^2}## !
 
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Is there a way to solve integral {-ae-3ax2/2 + a2x2e(-3ax2/2)}dx?
(where integral is from x = -infinite to + infinite)​
 
It looks suspiciously identical to the Schroedinger equation for the harmonic oscillator, only (if you do it right) a factor 1/2 different...
 
Could you please explain what you mean by:

BvU said:
a factor 1/2 different...
 
work out ##\left ({a\over \pi}\right )^{1\over 2}\;\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}\;\left (e^{-ax^2/2}\right )\; \left (-{h^2\over 2\mu}{d^2\over dx^2}\right ) e^{-ax^2/2}\ dx \ ## first and see what you get.
 
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That's what I did--wave(x) is a psi (x)...
I got that, it's the next bit I wanted to direct you attention to.
BvU is doing a decent job so I'll just reinforce and sit back for a bit:

So, that's why I did psi2(x) which is wave2(x),...
Which is not correct.
The ##\hat K## operator has a second derivative in it - that means the ##\psi## to the right of it gets altered.
You should have some course notes about how to apply operators to wavefunctions.
$$\hat K \psi(x) = -\frac{\hbar^2}{2\mu}\left(\frac{d^2}{dx^2}\psi\right)$$

Plus, what's with asterisk on one psi? Could you pls explain?
The star refers to the complex conjugate.
If ##\psi = a+ib## then ##\psi^\star = a-ib## (a,b both real and i2=-1)
In your case, ##\psi## is real - but what I wrote is the formal definition and it's a step you missed out and it is important to your thinking.

Aside: you are also reaching the stage where you will need to learn to use LaTeX ;)
 

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