How to Calculate the Radius of a Circle Tangent to Two Lines?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the radius of a circle that is tangent to two given lines and passes through a specified point. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and reasoning related to geometry and algebra.

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  • One participant identifies the point (8,1) as a point of tangency and calculates the distance from the intersection of the lines to this point, suggesting the use of the Pythagorean Theorem to find the radius.
  • Another participant proposes using the distance formula between a point and a line to express the radius in terms of the circle's center coordinates and the equations of the tangent lines.
  • A different approach involves calculating the angle between the two lines and using trigonometric relationships to derive the radius based on the geometry of the situation.
  • One participant mentions that two circles can satisfy the conditions, indicating the possibility of multiple solutions based on different angle bisectors and algebraic methods.
  • Another participant provides a detailed algebraic method to derive the center of the circle and the corresponding radii, leading to two distinct cases with different radius values.

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Participants present multiple competing views and methods for solving the problem, with no consensus on a single approach or solution. Different participants arrive at different radius values based on their methods.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the geometry of the problem, the definitions of tangency, and the methods used to derive the radius. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, and the dependence on specific definitions is noted.

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I'm having some difficulty with this problem and any help would be appreciated.

What is the radius of a circle tangent to the lines y = 3x + 7 and y = .5x - 3 and containing the point (8,1)?

I've determined that the given point (8,1) is the point of tangency of the line y = .5x - 3 and the circle. Also, the tangent lines intersect at (-4,-5) and the distance between (-4,-5) and (8,1) is approximately 13.416. It seems like I would need to find the center of the circle and use the Pythagorean Theorem to find the radius, but I can't figure out how to find the center. The solution is 5.56. Any suggestions?
 
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Re: tangent lines and circle

I would use the formula for the distance between a point and a line:

(1) $$d=\frac{\left|mx_0+b-y_0 \right|}{\sqrt{m^2+1}}$$

which you can see derived here:

http://www.mathhelpboards.com/f49/finding-distance-between-point-line-2952/

along with the formula for a circle in standard form:

(2) $$(x-h)^2+(y-k)^2=r^2$$

So, in (1) let $d=r$ and use the point $(h,k)$ to obtain:

$$r=\frac{\left|3h+7-k \right|}{\sqrt{3^2+1}}=\frac{\left|\frac{1}{2}h-3-k \right|}{\sqrt{\left(\frac{1}{2} \right)^2+1}}$$

and in (2) let $(x,y)=(8,1)$ to get:

$$(8-h)^2+(1-k)^2=r^2$$

From this, you have enough information to determine $r$.
 
Re: tangent lines and circle

I figured out another way to do it. I found the angle between the two lines using

tan(A - B) = (tan A - tan B)/(1 + tan A tan B)

So, using the slopes of the tangent lines, the angle between the lines is the inverse tangent of (3 - .5)/(1 +3(.5)), which gives an angle of 45 degrees. An angle bisector would go through the center of the circle, forming two right triangles, with the radius as one of the sides. Therefore, tan(22.5)=r/13.416, and r = 5.56.
 
Re: tangent lines and circle

ginger said:
I figured out another way to do it. I found the angle between the two lines using

tan(A - B) = (tan A - tan B)/(1 + tan A tan B)

So, using the slopes of the tangent lines, the angle between the lines is the inverse tangent of (3 - .5)/(1 +3(.5)), which gives an angle of 45 degrees. An angle bisector would go through the center of the circle, forming two right triangles, with the radius as one of the sides. Therefore, tan(22.5)=r/13.416, and r = 5.56.

I was on my way out when I posted my suggestion above, and so I did not actually try it, and it is cumbersome...the method you found is much more straightforward. Good job! (Sun)
 
We can find two circles satisfying the given requirements. You would have found the other radius by considering the other bisector. I will use an algebraic approach instead.

Given that the point (8,1) is on the circle, we know:

$$(8-h)^2+(1-k)^2=r^2$$

Since the circle is tangent to the line $$y=3x+7$$, we may write:

$$(x-h)^2+(3x+7-k)^2=r^2$$

$$(x-h)^2+(3x+7-k)^2=(8-h)^2+(1-k)^2$$

Expand and write in standard quadratic form

$$10x^2+(42-2h-6k)x+(16h-12k-16)=0$$

and require the discriminant to be zero:

$$(42-2h-6k)^2-4(10)(16h-12k-16)=0$$

$$(21-h-3k)^2-40(4h-3k-4)=0$$

$$h^2+6hk-202h+9k^2-6k+601=0$$

Doing the same with the other line, we eventually find:

$$k=17-2h$$

Now, substituting this into the first equation, we find:

$$h^2-28h+124=0$$

$$h=14\pm6\sqrt{2}$$

Case 1: $$h=14+6\sqrt{2}$$

$$k=-\left(11+12\sqrt{2} \right)$$

$$r=6\left(\sqrt{5}+\sqrt{10} \right)\approx32.390073826009015$$

Plot of lines and resulting circle:

View attachment 1031

Case 2: $$h=14-6\sqrt{2}$$

$$k=12\sqrt{2}-11$$

$$r=6\left(\sqrt{10}-\sqrt{5} \right)\approx5.55725809601154$$

Plot of lines and resulting circle:

View attachment 1032
 

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