How to calculate the total resistance in this circuit?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total resistance in a circuit, specifically focusing on the application of Kirchhoff's laws and Thevenin's theorem. Participants are exploring the relationships between currents and resistances in the context of circuit analysis.

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  • Participants discuss using Kirchhoff's laws to set up equations for the circuit. Some question the completeness of the problem statement due to the lack of specified points for calculating the Thevenin equivalent resistance. Others suggest transforming circuit components to simplify the analysis.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various approaches to the problem. Some have offered guidance on circuit transformations, while others are clarifying the definitions and assumptions related to total resistance versus Thevenin resistance.

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There is a noted lack of clarity regarding the specific points for calculating resistance, which has led to multiple interpretations of the original question. Participants are also addressing the need for precise definitions in circuit analysis.

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Homework Statement


How to calculate the value of total resistance RT in the shown circuit?

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I used Kirchhoff` first law: i1+i2=I where i1, i2 and I are the current passing through R1, R2 and the total current in the circuit, respectively.
similarly, i4+i5=I,
i1+i3=i4
i3+i5=i2
Then I used Kirchhoff` second law,
20 i1+10 i4=V0
10 i2+20 i5=V0.
 

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Given that you have not specified any points from which to take the Rth, you have an incomplete problem statement and as such it has no answer.
 
phinds said:
Given that you have not specified any points from which to take the Rth, you have an incomplete problem statement and as such it has no answer.
I edited the figure after puting labels of currents and points of intersection.
 

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I tried this as well,
considering the contour that includes i1 and i4
$$ 20 i_1 + 10 i_4=V_0 $$
considering the contour that includes i2 and i5
$$ 10 i_2 + 20 i_5=V_0$$
multiplying the second equation by 2 and collect term $$(i_1 + i_2)$$.
$$ 20(i_1 + i_2) + 10 i_4 +i_5=3V_0 $$
divide on $$ I=i_1+i_2 $$ and consider $$ R_T=\frac{V_0}{I} $$
$$ 3R_T=20+\frac{10 i_4}{I}+\frac{40 i_5}{I} $$
 
Adel Makram said:
I edited the figure after puting labels of currents and points of intersection.
And you STILL haven't specified any points on which to base an Rth.
 
phinds said:
And you STILL haven't specified any points on which to base an Rth.
What do you mean by specific point to base an Rth?
 
Adel Makram said:
What do you mean by specific point to base an Rth?
Do you understand what a Thevenin Equivalent circuit IS? When your question said find Rt, and there is no Rt specified in your diagram, I assumed you meant Rth, the Thevenin Equivalent resistance. Did you mean something else?
 
I meant the total resistance of the circuit.
 
Adel Makram said:
I meant the total resistance of the circuit.
Based on what ?

If you mean what is seen by the power supply, you have to say so. If that is what you mean then you would profit by looking up delta-Y transforms.
 
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That is great thank you.
So transforming Δ circuit to Y circuit as in the diagram,
Transforming the Δ component on the right side of the circuit to Y-component yields,
$$R_1=\frac{R_a R_c}{R_a+R_b+R_c}$$
$$R_2=\frac{R_b R_c}{R_a+R_b+R_c}$$
$$R_3=\frac{R_a R_b}{R_a+R_b+R_c}$$
so, $$R_1=\frac{10}{4}$$
$$R_2=5$$
$$R_3=5$$
simplifying the circuit now yields,
the left side of the circuit is a parallel circuit while the right side is series one.
the resistance of the left side is $$R=\frac{(20+\frac{10}{4})(15)}{(20+\frac{10}{4})+(15)}=9$$
summing to the right side of the circuit with a R=5 yields 9+5=14.
 

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I didn't check your calculations, but that's definitely the right way to do it.
 

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