How to Calculate Torque in a Hydraulic Brake System

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the frictional torque in a hydraulic brake system, given specific dimensions and forces related to the pistons and the wheel. The context includes parameters such as piston areas, coefficient of friction, and wheel radius.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between forces in the hydraulic system, questioning the correctness of the calculated force exerted by the brake cylinder. There is also exploration of how torque is defined and calculated based on the point of force application.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made about the forces involved. Some guidance on the torque calculation has been offered, but there is no explicit consensus on the values or methods being used.

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There is uncertainty regarding the identification of the master and brake cylinders, as well as the interpretation of the forces involved in the system. The original poster's assumptions and calculations are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


The area of the piston in the master cylinder is 1.8cm^2, and that of the piston in the brake cylinder is 6.4cm^2. The coefficient of friction between shoe and wheel drum is .50. If the wheel has a radius of 34cm, determine the frictional torque about the axle when a force of 44N is exerted on the brake pedal.


(Pedal)--[master cylinder]-----[brake cylinder]-----(shoe)Wheel drum


Homework Equations



torque=rF
F1=(A1/A2)F2
F=(mu)*normal force

1.8cm^2=1.8X10^-4m^2
6.4cm^2=6.4X10^-4m^2
radius=34cm=.34m

The Attempt at a Solution



I solved for F2 and got 12.4N. Is this the force that the shoe exerts on the wheel drum?
If that is correct, how do i go about solving for the torque?

thank you
 
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You have to know where the force is being applied on the wheel. Since a radius is given, it seems logical to take the force as being applied at that ditance.

Torque about a point = force*dist from that pt to line of action of force.
 
Hi,
I might be wrong, but I was going through the problem statement and got a doubt there.

I think you have considered A1 as aan area of Master Cylinder, then F1 should be 44 N, as it is the force applied on the brake pedal. F2 must be a force exerted by a brake cylinder. Please correct me if my thinking is wrong...
 
Going through the problem again, I think user Chandrakiran is correct. Exerting 44 N and getting 12.4 N doesn't seem realistic. The OP had not specified which are the brake and master cylinders, and I had only anwered as to how to find the torque.

Nice work, Chandrakiran.
 

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