How to cancel a split image - is it actually possible?

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The discussion centers around the possibility of splitting a single image and using two identical images to cancel each other out, resulting in a 'canceled' image. Participants explore various optical methods to achieve this effect in real-time, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the term "image" refers to a projected image onto a screen and suggests that destructive interference can occur with a grating, leading to a near-zero amplitude of light beyond the grating.
  • Another participant proposes that projecting a second image onto the same screen could create a combined image that appears as a shade of grey or white.
  • Some participants argue that for a truly canceled image, an out of phase image with equal magnitude and frequency would result in complete darkness, indicating that a grating could produce this effect accurately.
  • A later reply introduces the idea of using a classic pin-hole camera to explore the cancellation of an image, questioning how to project an out of phase version of the image to achieve a zero image effect.
  • One participant mentions that achieving the proposed cancellation through vector addition of light waves would require significant stability, akin to that needed for holography.
  • Another participant suggests that the goal may be to project a 'negative' image in terms of intensity to merge the two images for uniform illumination.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility and methods for achieving image cancellation. There is no consensus on a single approach, and multiple competing ideas are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of stability in the optical setup and the potential limitations of the proposed methods, particularly in relation to the nature of light wave interactions.

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Hi all,

A question: Is it possible to split a single image then use the two identical images to cancel each other resulting in a canceled 'image'? If so, can anyone suggest a simple optical method that can be used to achieve this in real-time? Perhaps creating an anti-phase of the original image and combining them optically? Thanks.
 
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Can you clarify what you mean by image. Are you talking about a projected image onto a screen?

You can "cancel" or destructively interfere with a grating. When polarized light reaches the grating an out of phase image is stimulated by the conductive bands in the grating causing the resulting combined amplitude of the light measured anywhere beyond the grating to be close to zero. Blackness.

This is the technology behind 3D glasses, so that they can cancel the image in one eye.
 
For a projected image, a second image could be projected at the same screen to turn the combined image into some shade of grey or white.
 
rcgldr said:
For a projected image, a second image could be projected at the same screen to turn the combined image into some shade of grey or white.

Actually it would be black. An out of phase image with equal magnitude and frequency would be no light at all. A grating at the lens would produce a very accurate out of phase image.
 
LostConjugate said:
Can you clarify what you mean by image. Are you talking about a projected image onto a screen?

You can "cancel" or destructively interfere with a grating. When polarized light reaches the grating an out of phase image is stimulated by the conductive bands in the grating causing the resulting combined amplitude of the light measured anywhere beyond the grating to be close to zero. Blackness.

This is the technology behind 3D glasses, so that they can cancel the image in one eye.

For example, in a classic pin-hole camera, would it be possible to cancel the image of a person's face (the image projected at the back of the camera box) ? If so, any ideas how? Thanks.
 
rcgldr said:
For a projected image, a second image could be projected at the same screen to turn the combined image into some shade of grey or white.

Okay. A test scenario would be the classic pin-hole camera where a face is the incoming image. I was wondering how one can get and project the out of phase version of the image to create the canceled (zero image effect).
 
LostConjugate said:
Actually it would be black. An out of phase image with equal magnitude and frequency would be no light at all. A grating at the lens would produce a very accurate out of phase image.

This would only be true if you were using vector addition of light waves. This is not possible without the sort of stability that's needed to make holograms.
The proposal, as far as I can see, is to project an additional 'negative' image (in terms of intensity) so that the two images merge to produce uniform illumination at, as was said, half brightness.
 

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