How to Convert Taylor Expansion to Summation Notation and Vice Versa?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around techniques for converting Taylor expansions to summation notation and vice versa. Participants explore the challenges and methods related to representing Taylor series in a concise mathematical form, including specific examples and the general approach to finding patterns in series.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about specific techniques or programs for converting between Taylor expansion and summation notation.
  • One participant suggests that without a clear expression for the nth derivative of a function, conversion may not be feasible.
  • Another participant notes that finding a concise representation of the nth derivative involving only specific functions and variables may not be possible for all functions.
  • There is a suggestion that the problem could be approached as a task in computer algebra, involving string manipulation algorithms.
  • Participants present examples, such as rewriting a polynomial expression in sigma notation, questioning the existence of a systematic method for doing so.
  • One participant highlights that without knowing every term of a function, it is impossible to find a consistent summation that aligns with the Taylor expansion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the existence of a universal method for conversion and acknowledge that the complexity of functions may lead to differing approaches. There is no consensus on a specific technique or solution.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the specific function being analyzed and the potential complexity of higher derivatives, which may not yield a straightforward summation representation.

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Hi everyone,
Is there a certain technique or a program for converting Taylor expansion to summation notation form and vice versa.
Thank you in advance.
 
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Vola said:
Is there a certain technique or a program for converting Taylor expansion to summation notation form and vice versa.

Your question isn't completely clear. Can you give a specific example where converting from one notation to the other is difficult?
 
let's say I expend a certain function using Taylor series. Is there a specific method I can apply to represent that string of terms in sigma notation.
 
Unless you can find an expression for the nth derivative of the function at a certain point in terms of n, there's no point in trying.
 
Vola said:
let's say I expend a certain function using Taylor series. Is there a specific method I can apply to represent that string of terms in sigma notation.

Well, that's more specific question, but not a specific example.

I think your question amounts to asking whether there is a concise way to represent the n-th derivative of a particular function ( like f(x) = (x sin x)/(x+3) ) as an expression with a finite number of symbols in it that only involves specific functions and the variables 'x' and 'n'.

I don't know of any technique that works for all functions. The higher derivatives of some functions involve more and more terms. You might have to write sums-of-sums or sums-of-sums-of-sums to represent them.

You could approach the problem as a task in computer algebra. It would involve algorithms that manipulate strings. This makes it a very specialized question. I don't know whether any programmers doing computer algebra hang-out in the computer sections of the forum. I don't recall seeing any computer algebra algorithms discussed in these mathematics sections.
 
Let's say i need to rewrite 2+7(x-2)+4(x-2)^2+(x-2)^3+O((x-2^4) in sigma notation.Is there any systematic way to do that?
 
Vola said:
Let's say i need to rewrite 2+7(x-2)+4(x-2)^2+(x-2)^3+O((x-2^4) in sigma notation.Is there any systematic way to do that?
To write a series in summation notation, you have to have a general pattern for the n-th term of the series. I don't see any particular pattern in what you showed.
 
Maybe different example: 1 + x + (5/4)x^2 + (7/4)x^3 +...+O(x^4). I am looking for general approach for rewriting expansions like this in sigma notation.
 
There are infinitely many functions f such that f(0)=1*0!, f(1)=1*1!, f(2)=5/4*2!, f(3)=7/4*3!. Without knowing every term, it's impossible to find a summation that continues to be consistent with the taylor expansion of the function forever, in this case, we need the O(x^4)'s expansion.

(Or you can just use your induction skills to find f^{\left(n\right)}\left(k\right) in terms of n and k to find the expansion around k.)
 

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