Understanding the Taylor Expansion of a Translated Function

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The discussion centers around the Taylor expansion of a translated function, specifically examining the relationship between the standard Taylor expansion and its translated form. Participants explore the implications of variable and constant roles in the context of these expansions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Taylor expansion of a translated function and questions how it relates to the standard Taylor expansion, noting apparent changes in the roles of functions and constants.
  • Another participant suggests a method to derive the translated expansion by substituting variables, specifically replacing variables in the original formula.
  • A later reply emphasizes the distinction between variables and constants, questioning how both can be interpreted in the context of the equations presented.
  • Further discussion includes the idea that both equations can be viewed as equations in two variables, leading to a deeper understanding of the roles of the variables involved.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the explanations provided, indicating that the combination of practical and intuitive insights helped clarify their confusion regarding the treatment of variables and constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the interpretation of variables and constants in the context of the Taylor expansions. The discussion remains unresolved on certain conceptual points.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding the definitions of variables and constants in the context of the Taylor expansion, which may lead to different interpretations of the equations presented.

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I recently found out the rule regarding the Taylor expansion of a translated function:
##f(x+h)=f(x)+f′(x)⋅h+\frac 1 2 h^ 2 \cdot f′′(x)+⋯+\frac 1 {n!}h^n \cdot f^n(x)+...##

But why exactly is this the case? The normal Taylor expansion tells us that
##f(x)=f(a)+f'(a)(x-a)+\frac 1 {2!}f''(a)(x-a)^2+...+\frac 1 {n!} f^n(x)(x-a)^n+...##

So how do you come from the original expansion to the second one? Simply substituting x with x+h doesn't do it, not to mention that the f's and the coefficients seem to have changed roles, with the f's now being functions instead of constants and the coefficients now being constants instead of functions.

An explanation would be appreciated.
 
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You just have to write ##f(x) = f(a + (x - a))## and use the first formula with ##a## replacing x and ##x-a## replacing ##h## to get the second one.
 
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Adgorn said:
I recently found out the rule regarding the Taylor expansion of a translated function:
##f(x+h)=f(x)+f′(x)⋅h+\frac 1 2 h^ 2 \cdot f′′(x)+⋯+\frac 1 {n!}h^n \cdot f^n(x)+...##

But why exactly is this the case? The normal Taylor expansion tells us that
##f(x)=f(a)+f'(a)(x-a)+\frac 1 {2!}f''(a)(x-a)^2+...+\frac 1 {n!} f^n(x)(x-a)^n+...##

So how do you come from the original expansion to the second one? Simply substituting x with x+h doesn't do it, not to mention that the f's and the coefficients seem to have changed roles, with the f's now being functions instead of constants and the coefficients now being constants instead of functions.

An explanation would be appreciated.

There's an important point here about what exactly is a "variable" and what is a "constant". You might ask (in the second equation) in what way is ##a## a constant and ##x## a variable? Both can be any real number. Likewise ##h## in the first expression. So, can't you interpret both equations as being an equation in two variables? ##x## and ##h## in the first equation and ##x## and ##a## in the second.
 
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hilbert2 said:
You just have to write ##f(x) = f(a + (x - a))## and use the first formula with ##a## replacing x and ##x-a## replacing ##h## to get the second one.
PeroK said:
There's an important point here about what exactly is a "variable" and what is a "constant". You might ask (in the second equation) in what way is ##a## a constant and ##x## a variable? Both can be any real number. Likewise ##h## in the first expression. So, can't you interpret both equations as being an equation in two variables? ##x## and ##h## in the first equation and ##x## and ##a## in the second.
I think hilbert's practical explanation combined with perok's intuitive one answered my question.

I was under the impression that in both equation you fix ##a## and ##h## and leave x as a variable, but since the second equation applies for all real ##a## then it can also be treated as a variable. So if you take the original rule, replace ##a## with ##x## and ##x## with #x+h## you get the second formula.

Thanks for the help.
 
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