How to count all ways to arrange Bosons?

  • Thread starter Thread starter benagastov
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Bosons Count
Click For Summary
The discussion highlights a critical error in calculating the arrangement of bosons by incorrectly applying methods meant for distinguishable particles. It emphasizes that the enumeration of states must account for the indistinguishable nature of identical bosons. Participants argue that the correct approach requires a different combinatorial method to accurately reflect bosonic behavior. The conversation underscores the importance of recognizing the unique properties of bosons in statistical mechanics. Accurate counting of arrangements is essential for understanding quantum statistics.
benagastov
Messages
8
Reaction score
0
Homework Statement
This is very basic question but to be honest I dont understand even though I read Pointon's book. The question said what is all possible ways to arrange Bosons and how much is the total configuration. The energy states/levels are = 1E, 2E, and 3E. The total of boson particles are 2, and all of the states should have degeneracy/g_j = 3 and total Energy E = 4.

Is my answer incorrect? Thank you
Relevant Equations
W = \frac{(n+g-1)!}{n!(g-1)!}
Capture2.JPG
 
Physics news on Phys.org
In your enumeration of states, you are missing one case.

Your calculation on the right is correct only for distinguishable particles. This should not apply to identical bosons.
 
I want to find the solution to the integral ##\theta = \int_0^{\theta}\frac{du}{\sqrt{(c-u^2 +2u^3)}}## I can see that ##\frac{d^2u}{d\theta^2} = A +Bu+Cu^2## is a Weierstrass elliptic function, which can be generated from ##\Large(\normalsize\frac{du}{d\theta}\Large)\normalsize^2 = c-u^2 +2u^3## (A = 0, B=-1, C=3) So does this make my integral an elliptic integral? I haven't been able to find a table of integrals anywhere which contains an integral of this form so I'm a bit stuck. TerryW

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
591
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K