How to Define a Shape Based on Variables

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of defining a shape based on variables, particularly in relation to geometry and inequalities. Participants explore how to express both volume and shape through mathematical relationships, with a focus on different types of geometric figures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to define a shape alongside its volume using variables, specifically mentioning a simple relationship of volume as V=x+y.
  • Another participant explains that a triangle can be defined using three inequalities in a coordinate system, providing a specific example with vertices at (0,0), (1,0), and (0,1).
  • This participant suggests that a similar approach can be applied to define n-dimensional shapes on manifolds using inequalities.
  • A subsequent participant inquires about the specific inequalities required to describe curvilinear shapes.
  • Another participant provides the well-known inequality for a circle, stating ##x^2+y^2\leq 1## as an example of a curvilinear shape.

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Participants express curiosity and explore various methods for defining shapes, but there is no consensus on the specific inequalities needed for curvilinear shapes, as this remains an open question.

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The discussion does not resolve the question of which inequalities are necessary for curvilinear shapes, leaving this as an area for further exploration.

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Hello all,
I am not too experienced with geometry. I am just curious whether it would be possible to define a shape based on variables.
Say you have a simple relationship between volume and some variables. V=x+y. This tells you about the volume of a 3D object, however, it does not describe the shape of the object in question. How would you write a relationship that describes both a volume and a shape?
Thanks in advance.
 
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Consider a triangle on the number plane. If we are talking about the inside of the triangle together with its boundary then it is defined by three inequalities using a coordinate system. For instance the following defines the shape that is the triangle with corners at (0,0), (1,0) and (0,1)

$$(x\geq 0)\wedge (y\geq 0)\wedge (x+y\leq 1)$$

where ##\wedge## means 'and'.
This is the intersection of three half-planes, bordered by the lines that, segments of which make up the three sides of the triangle.

We can take exactly the same approach on a general manifold in diff geom. We can define the n-dimensional equivalent of a n-polygon in an n-dimensional manifold as:

$$\left(\sum_{k=1}^n a_{1k}\leq b_1\right)\wedge ... \wedge \left(\sum_{k=1}^n a_{nk}\leq b_n\right)$$

This linear approach only works for linear-bounded shapes. Other inequalities are needed for curvilinear shapes, just as we use a different equation in 2D to define a circle.
 
Ah okay, that makes sense.
Now I'm curious, what inequalities are needed to describe curvilinear shapes?
 
The most famous one is ##x^2+y^2\leq 1##
 
Thread moved, as this question has nothing to do with differential geometry.
 

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