How to Derive Equations of Motion from Lagrange Density?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equations of motion from a given Lagrange density for a real scalar field. The original poster presents the Lagrange density and the corresponding Euler-Lagrange equation, expressing confusion about a specific step in the derivation process.

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the Lagrange density and the role of the metric tensor in the formulation. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of indices and the implications of treating them as dummy indices. Questions arise about the validity of certain equalities and the use of the Kronecker delta in the context of derivatives.

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Some participants provide insights that help clarify the original poster's confusion regarding notation and the application of the metric tensor. There is acknowledgment of the usefulness of these clarifications, although some participants express uncertainty about the notation and its implications.

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Participants note the potential for confusion arising from the notation involving the metric tensor and its indices. There is also mention of the need to transform expressions into more familiar forms for better understanding.

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Homework Statement


I'd like to derive the equations of motion for a system with Lagrange density
$$\mathcal{L}= \frac{1}{2}\partial_\mu\phi\partial^\mu\phi,$$
for ##\phi:\mathcal{M}\to \mathbb{R}## a real scalar field.

Homework Equations


$$\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial\phi}-\partial_\mu \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}=0$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$\begin{align*}\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial\phi}-\partial_\mu \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}& = -\partial_\mu \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \phi)}\\
&= - \frac{1}{2}\partial_\mu \frac{\partial}{\partial(\partial_\mu\phi)} \partial_\nu\phi\partial^\nu\phi\\
&=- \frac{1}{2}\partial_\mu \left( \partial^\nu \phi\frac{\partial}{\partial(\partial_\mu\phi)}\partial_\nu\phi + \partial_\nu\phi \frac{\partial}{\partial(\partial_\mu\phi)} \partial^\nu\phi\right)\\
&= -\frac{1}{2} \partial_\mu (\partial^\mu\phi+\partial_\mu\phi)\end{align*}$$
As far as I know I should get ##\Box \phi =0##, but for this to be true I need to show that
$$\frac{1}{2}(\partial^\mu\phi+\partial_\mu \phi)= \partial^\mu\phi$$
holds, and I honestly don't know why this should be the case.

Can somebody help?
 
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First of all, the meaning of ##\partial^\mu \phi## is just ##g^{\mu \nu} \partial_\nu \phi##, where ##g## is the metric tensor. So you can rewrite ##\mathcal{L}## in terms of ##\partial_\nu \phi##:

##\mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{2} g^{\mu \nu} \partial_\mu \phi \partial_\nu \phi##

The other thing is that in the above, ##\mu## is a dummy index. To make sure it doesn't get confused with the ##\mu## in ##\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_\mu \phi)}##, you should replace ##\mu## by some other index, say ##\lambda##:

##\mathcal{L} = \frac{1}{2} g^{\lambda \nu} \partial_\lambda \phi \partial_\nu \phi##

Now, the only thing you need to know is: What is ##\frac{\partial (\partial_\lambda \phi)}{\partial (\partial_\mu \phi)}##? It's zero if ##\mu \neq \lambda##, and it's 1 if ##\mu = \lambda##. That can be summarized by the kronecker delta:

##\frac{\partial (\partial_\lambda \phi)}{\partial (\partial_\mu \phi)} = \delta^\mu_\lambda##

You can similarly figure out ##\frac{\partial (\partial_\nu \phi)}{\partial (\partial_\mu \phi)}##

See if that helps.
 
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As stevendaryl indicated, be careful to distinguish equation-indices with those indices that are summed over. In the following, I put a "prime" on indices that I sum over:
## 0 = \frac{{\partial {\cal L}}}{{\partial \phi }} - {\partial _\mu }\frac{{\partial {\cal L}}}{{\partial \left( {{\partial _\mu }\phi } \right)}} = 0 - {\partial _\mu }\frac{\partial }{{\partial \left( {{\partial _\mu }\phi } \right)}}\left( {\frac{1}{2}{\partial _{\mu '}}\phi {\partial ^{\mu '}}\phi } \right) = - {\partial _\mu }\frac{1}{2}\left( {{g^\mu }_{\mu '} \cdot {\partial ^{\mu '}}\phi + {\partial _{\mu '}}\phi \cdot {g_{\mu '}}^\mu } \right) = - {\partial _\mu }\frac{1}{2}\left( {{\partial ^\mu }\phi + {\partial ^\mu }\phi } \right) = - {\partial _\mu }{\partial ^\mu }\phi ##

I believe this is what you're looking for.

Afterword: note that this demonstrates that ## {\partial _{{\partial _\mu }\phi }} ## is a contravariant vector (i.e., its action upon a scalar gives a vector with an upper index) while ## x_\mu ## (having a lower index) is an example of a covariant vector.
 
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stevendaryl said:
First of all, the meaning of ##\partial^\mu \phi## is just ##g^{\mu \nu} \partial_\nu \phi##, where ##g## is the metric tensor. So you can rewrite ##\mathcal{L}## in terms of ##\partial_\nu\phi##
This was the trick that solved my problem... Didn't think that would simplify my issue this much, so thank you for that!

bjnartowt said:
I believe this is what you're looking for.
This is exactly what I was looking for, but I must admit that I find your notation rather confusing... It's the first time for me seeing the metric tensor with both, indices and up and down at the same time. Since I'm not sure how I would evaluate this, I would need to transform it back to something I'm more used (aka ##g_{\nu}{}^\mu = g^{\rho\mu}g_{\rho\nu}##)...
 
Markus Kahn said:
This was the trick that solved my problem... Didn't think that would simplify my issue this much, so thank you for that!This is exactly what I was looking for, but I must admit that I find your notation rather confusing... It's the first time for me seeing the metric tensor with both, indices and up and down at the same time. Since I'm not sure how I would evaluate this, I would need to transform it back to something I'm more used (aka ##g_{\nu}{}^\mu = g^{\rho\mu}g_{\rho\nu}##)...

With one index up and one index down, the metric tensor is the same as the Kronecker delta: ##g_\nu^\mu = 0## if ##\nu \neq \mu## and ##g_\nu^\mu = 1## if ##\nu = \mu##.
 

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