How to Derive Legendre Polynomials Using Orthogonalization?

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The discussion revolves around deriving Legendre polynomials \( P_l(x) \) using an orthogonalization procedure, specifically within the context of polynomial functions defined on the interval \(-1 < x < 1\). The original poster expresses confusion regarding the orthogonalization process and references various sources for clarification.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the Gram-Schmidt process as a potential method for orthogonalization, with some attempting to apply it to derive the first few Legendre polynomials. Questions arise about the normalization of functions and the specific steps involved in the orthogonalization procedure.

Discussion Status

Some participants have begun outlining their understanding of the orthogonalization process, while others express uncertainty about how to proceed with the calculations. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the normalization and the relationships between the original and orthonormal functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need to show that the inner products of the derived polynomials are zero over the specified interval, indicating a requirement for further calculations and clarifications on the coefficients involved in the polynomial expressions.

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Homework Statement



The Legendre polynomials [tex]P_l(x)[/tex] are a set of real polynomials orthogonal in the interval [tex]-1< x <1[/tex] , [tex]l\neq l'[/tex]

[tex]\int dx P_l(x)P_l'(x)=0, -1<x<1[/tex] The polynomial [tex]P_l(x)[/tex] is of order l
, that is, the highest power of x is [tex]x^l[/tex]. It is normalized to [tex]P_l(x)=1[/tex]

Starting with the set of functions ,

[tex]\varphi_l(x)=x^l, l=0,1,2,...,[/tex] used the orthogonalization procedure to derive the polynomials [tex]P_0,P_1,P_2, and P_3[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution

I have no idea what my book (Peebles) means by orthogonalization procedure. But I looked at Griffifth book on QM , and perhaps they are talking about Rodrigues formula on p. 136 eqn. 4.28?
 
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Still a little confused .so for l= 0 , would look like this: [tex]|e_0>=e_0/||e_0||[/tex]
 
P_n(x) are the original functions, the orthonormal functions are denoted by R_n(x). Normalize the first:

R_0(x) = P_0(x)/sqrt[<P_0|P_0>]


Take the second function, and subtract the component in the direction of R_0(x):

Q_1(x) = P_1(x) - <P_1|R_0> R_0(x)

The inner product of Q_1 with R_0 is clearly zero. Normalize Q_1 by dividing it by the square root of its inner product with itself to get R_1. Then you compute Q_2 by subtracting from P_2 the components in the direction of

Q_2(x) = P_2(x) - <P_2|R_1> R_1(x) - <P_2|R_0> R_0(x)

Normalize Q_2 to obtain R_2.

Then when you're done, you renormalize the R_n to make the coefficients of the highest powers equal to 1.
 
Count Iblis said:
P_n(x) are the original functions, the orthonormal functions are denoted by R_n(x). Normalize the first:

R_0(x) = P_0(x)/sqrt[<P_0|P_0>]


Take the second function, and subtract the component in the direction of R_0(x):

Q_1(x) = P_1(x) - <P_1|R_0> R_0(x)

The inner product of Q_1 with R_0 is clearly zero. Normalize Q_1 by dividing it by the square root of its inner product with itself to get R_1. Then you compute Q_2 by subtracting from P_2 the components in the direction of

Q_2(x) = P_2(x) - <P_2|R_1> R_1(x) - <P_2|R_0> R_0(x)

Normalize Q_2 to obtain R_2.

Then when you're done, you renormalize the R_n to make the coefficients of the highest powers equal to 1.

sorry , this might take me a while to absorb in:


[tex]R_0=P_0/(P_0,P_0),(P_0,P_0)=1?[/tex]; [tex]Q_2=P_2(x)[/tex] since [tex]<P_2|R_1>=0, <P_2|R_0>=0[/tex]

[tex]\varphi_0=1,\varphi_1=x,\varphi_2=x^2[/tex]; When do all 3 phi's and the integral expression come into play? How do I obtain [tex]P_0, P_1,P_2[/tex]
 
I think i got it! [tex]P_0=c_0,P_1=d_1*x+d_0,P_2=e_2*x^2+e_1*x+e_0,P_3=f_3*x^3+f_2*x^2+f_1*x+f_0,P_0(1)=1=>c_0=1,P_1(1)=1=d_1*x+d_0,P_2(1)=1=e_2*x^2+e_1*x+e_0,P_3(1)=1=f_3*x^3+f_2*x^2+f_1*x+f_0[/tex]Using integration I need to show that:

[tex]\int P_0*P_1 dx=0[/tex] ,[tex]\intP_0*P_2 dx= 0[/tex], [tex]\int P_0*P_3=0[/tex],[tex]\int P_1*P_2=[/tex],[tex]\int P_1*P_3=0[/tex],[tex]\int P_2*P_3=0[/tex] all on interval -1<x<1[/tex](look at my latex code, output might not my input accurately)

calculated [tex]c_o[/tex] ,not sure how to calculate [tex]d_1,d_0,e_0,e_1,e_2,f_0,f_1,f_2,f_3[/tex] I think all of the terms will be equal to zero or one though.
 
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hard time reading my solution again
 

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