How to Derive the Lagrangian for an Inverted Pendulum with Vertical Motion?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the Lagrangian for an inverted pendulum that experiences vertical motion. The setup involves a mass m attached to a massless rod of length l, with the pivot point O moving vertically according to a specified equation.

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the expressions for kinetic and potential energy, with some proposing specific formulas. Questions arise regarding the implications of time-dependent terms on the Lagrangian and the Euler-Lagrange equation. There is also discussion about the nature of the inverted pendulum and the forces involved in maintaining its position.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing their thoughts on the kinetic and potential energies and how to approach the Euler-Lagrange equation in the context of time-dependent systems. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various interpretations and suggestions are being explored.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of rheonomic constraints and the treatment of time as a generalized coordinate. The original poster's inquiry about the potential energy expression indicates some uncertainty regarding the setup and assumptions involved.

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An inverted pendulum consists of a particle of mass m supported by a rigid massless rod of length l. The pivot O has a vertical motion given by z=Asin\omega t. Obtain the Lagrangian and find the differential equation of motion.


I'm not sure how to obtain the kinetic and potential energies. For the potential energy, would it just be
V=mglcos\theta+Asin\omega t?

And is the kinetic energy
T=\frac{1}{2}m(l^{2}\dot{\theta}^{2}+A^{2}\omega^{2}cos^{2}\omega t)?

Since the Lagrangian wouldn't be time-independent, would this in any way affect the Euler-Lagrange equation, or would it remain the same?

Thanks, all.
 
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Also, when the problem says 'inverted pendulum', does this mean that there's some kind of force preventing the pendulum from rotating to an equilibrium position (i.e. hanging straight down)? When I think of it, I visualize something like a metronome... does this sound right?
 
I saw this video on YouTube, and I just understood what it means by "inverted pendulum":



I guess the one in the problem is identical to this one, exact that the motion is vertical and given by the equation above.

So any ideas on the kinetic and potential energies, or on how the Euler-Lagrange equation changes if they're explicitly time-dependent?
 
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Well, as far as I can see in derivations, a rheonomic constraint shouldn't really matter. But what should I do with the time? Should I just ignore it and use the Euler-Lagrange equation normally, or should I treat it as a generalized coordinate?

And does anyone have any suggestions for the kinetic and potential energies?
 

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