How to Derive the Pressure-Volume Relationship in Thermodynamics?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the pressure-volume relationship in thermodynamics, specifically the equation \( P V^{\gamma} = P_{0} V_{0}^{\gamma} \). Participants are tasked with showing that \( dP \doteq - \frac{\gamma P_{0}}{V_{0}} dV \) using this relationship.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the meaning of the notation \( \doteq \) and its implications for the derivation. There are attempts to manipulate the initial equation to express \( P \) in terms of \( V \) and to differentiate it. Questions arise about relating volume to density and the implications of treating the right-hand side as a constant.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided different expressions for \( dP \) based on their manipulations of the original equation. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct form of the differential equation, with some participants questioning their previous calculations and suggesting corrections. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the derivation process.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating through various equations and definitions related to thermodynamics, including the specific heat ratios and the relationships between pressure, volume, and density. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the application of derivatives in this context.

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Homework Statement


Given that
P V^{\gamma} = P_{0} V_{0}^{\gamma}
Show that
dP \doteq - \frac{\gamma P_{0}}{V_{0}} dV


Homework Equations


c^{2} = \left( \frac{\partial P}{\partial \rho} \right)_{\rho_{0}}
P = P_{0} \frac{\rho}{\rho_{0}}
\gamma = \frac{c_{p}}{c_{v}}
P = \rho r T_{k}


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure what the \doteq means, but I can pressume that it is the same thing as an equal sign. Starting with the first equation I can get
P = \frac{P_{0} V_{0}^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma} }
At this point I get stuck. I could try to relate the volume to the density, but I'm not sure that that would lead anywhere.
 
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from my last equation I can get
dP = \frac{-\gamma P_{0} V_{0}^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma-1} }dV
But this is not a huge help.
 
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P V^{\gamma} = P_{0} V_{0}^{\gamma}

by the right hand side is a constant, so derivative or differential is zero.

So one starts with

d(P V^{\gamma})\,=\,0 and expand, and then put it in a form

dP = ?, but that seems where one go to.

Also I think its

dP = \frac{-\gamma P_{0} V_{0}^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma+1} }dV

and then what happens if V ~ Vo?
 
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dimensionless said:
from my last equation I can get
dP = \frac{-\gamma P_{0} V_{0}^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma-1} }dV
But this is not a huge help.

That's wrong. It should read
<br /> dP = \frac{-\gamma P_0 V_0^{\gamma}}{V^{\gamma + 1}}dV<br />
 

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