How to Derive the Solvability Condition for a Biological Matrix?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the solvability condition for a biological matrix represented by a determinant equation. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the matrix, the conditions for singularity, and the associated polynomial expressions. The focus includes theoretical aspects of the matrix and its implications in a biological context.

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  • Participants present the matrix $A_{\lambda}$ and discuss its components, including the growth rate $\lambda$ and wave number $k$.
  • Some participants derive the determinant of the matrix and express it as a polynomial in $\lambda$, noting the requirement for singularity.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the imaginary unit $i$, with some questioning whether it is a constant or the imaginary constant.
  • One participant expresses confidence in obtaining the polynomial form associated with the solvability condition, while another indicates difficulty in achieving the same result.
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Participants generally agree on the structure of the matrix and the need for it to be singular for the solvability condition. However, there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of certain terms and the ability to derive the associated polynomial, indicating unresolved aspects of the discussion.

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Some participants mention potential typographical errors in the original question and the need for clarification in the equations. There is also mention of unresolved issues related to the presence of the imaginary unit in the determinant.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying mathematical biology, particularly in the context of matrix theory and its applications in biological systems. It may also benefit individuals exploring the mathematical foundations of solvability conditions in differential equations.

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$$
A_{\lambda}=
\begin{pmatrix}
-\mu\lambda k^2 - k^2 - s & i\tau k & i\tau k - i\beta k^3\\
i\lambda k & \lambda + Dk^2 & -\alpha k^2\\
i\lambda k & 0 & \lambda
\end{pmatrix}
$$

where $\lambda = \lambda(k^2)$ (this is confusing) is the growth rate and k is the wave number, and tau, mu, D, alpha, s, and beta are biological parameters. The solvability condition for a matrix $A_{\lambda}$ requires that the matrix is singular.

So the I found the determinant to be $-Dk^4\lambda -Dik^2\lambda -Dk^2s\lambda +Di^2k^6\beta\lambda -k^2\lambda^2-ik^2\lambda^2-s\lambda^2+i^2k^4\beta\lambda^2-Dk^4\lambda^2\mu-k^2\lambda^3\mu-Di^2k^3\lambda\tau-i^2k^4\alpha\lambda\tau-i^2k\lambda^2\tau-i^2k^2\lambda^2\tau=0$
for it to be singular.

Then it says show that the polynomial associated with the solvability condition is given by
$$
a(k^2)\lambda^2 + b(k^2)\lambda +c(k^2) =0
$$
where
\begin{align}
a(k^2)=& \mu k^2\\
b(k^2)=& (\beta+\mu D)k^4 - (2\tau-1)k^2 s\\
c(k^2)=& \beta Dk^6-\{(\alpha+D)\tau-D\}k^4+sDk^2
\end{align}

From what I have, I can obtain that. I am not sure if i is the imaginary constant or just some constant i.
Even if i is the imaginary constant, we would still have some i's.
 
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dwsmith said:
$$
A_{\lambda}=
\begin{pmatrix}
-\mu\lambda k^2 - k^2 - s & i\tau k & i\tau k - i\beta k^3\\
i\lambda k & \lambda + Dk^2 & -\alpha k^2\\
i\lambda k & 0 & \lambda
\end{pmatrix}
$$

where $\lambda = \lambda(k^2)$ (this is confusing because that is just 1 = k^2) is the growth rate and k is the wave number, and tau, mu, D, alpha, s, and beta are biological parameters. The solvability condition for a matrix $A_{\lambda}$ requires that the matrix is singular.

So the I found the determinant to be
$-Dk^4\lambda -Dik^2\lambda -Dk^2s\lambda +Di^2k^6\beta\lambda -k^2\lambda^2$
$-ik^2\lambda^2-s\lambda^2+i^2k^4\beta\lambda^2-Dk^4\lambda^2\mu-k^2\lambda^3\mu-Di^2k^3\lambda\tau-i^2k^4\alpha\lambda\tau-i^2k\lambda^2\tau-i^2k^2\lambda^2\tau=0$
for it to be singular.

Then it says show that the polynomial associated with the solvability condition is given by
$$
a(k^2)\lambda^2 + b(k^2)\lambda +c(k^2) =0
$$
where
\begin{align}
a(k^2)=& \mu k^2\\
b(k^2)=& (\beta+\mu D)k^4 - (2\tau-1)k^2 s\\
c(k^2)=& \beta Dk^6-\{(\alpha+D)\tau-D\}k^4+sDk^2
\end{align}

From what I have, I can't obtain that. I am not sure if i is the imaginary constant or just some constant i.
Even if i is the imaginary constant, we would still have some i's left after simplifying.

Typo in the original question. Also, fixed the equation from going of the screen.
 
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dwsmith said:
​Solved

Do you have the ability to mark threads as solved now, under Thread Tools? It should be there...
 
Ackbach said:
Do you have the ability to mark threads as solved now, under Thread Tools? It should be there...

I don't see it as an option.
 
dwsmith said:
I don't see it as an option.

Oh, silly me. I already marked your thread as Solved. Do you have the "Mark this thread as unsolved" option in your Thread Tools?
 
Ackbach said:
Oh, silly me. I already marked your thread as Solved. Do you have the "Mark this thread as unsolved" option in your Thread Tools?

It doesn't appear for any threads I have. Even if it is marked solved, when the option is there, it then says to mark as unsolved--which is nonexistence to me.

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