How to derive U(S(V,T),V) from U(S,V,N)?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the function U(S(V,T),V) from U(S,V,N) within the context of thermodynamics. The original poster seeks clarification on the transition between these two forms, particularly focusing on the implications of the variables involved.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the variables in the equations, with one suggesting the use of the chain rule in calculus to understand the transition. Others question the assumptions regarding the constancy of certain variables, such as N.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the original poster's references. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of calculus, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take.

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There is a mention of specific equations and the context of entropy as a function of temperature and volume, which may influence the understanding of the problem. The original poster's reference to a solution document suggests that additional context may be necessary for a complete understanding.

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My question is how can one derive U(S(V,T),V) from the relation U(S,V,N).This is the beginning of a given solution which is not explained in more detail.

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I can understand U(S,V,N) as dU=TdS-pdV+μdN but not the transition: U(S,V,N)-->U(S(V,T),V).
A full solution of this exercise is given at http://www.thphys.uni-heidelberg.de/~amendola/statphys/problems-students.pdf on page 3.
 
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Are you referring to eqn 13?? If that's the case here's explanation:

[itex] \frac{\partial U(S,V)}{\partial V}= \frac{\partial U}{\partial S} \frac{\partial S}{\partial V}+\frac{\partial U}{\partial V} \frac{\partial V}{\partial V}<br /> =\frac{\partial U}{\partial S} \frac{\partial S}{\partial V}+\frac{\partial U}{\partial V}[/itex]

This is a simple chain rule. If you don't know chain rule, review your calculus course, I don't think you'll go anywhere without that.
 
Thank you for your reply.I am not referring to equation 13, but before that.
The exercise starts with U(S(V,T),V). My question is how one can derive that from U(S,V,N)?
 
Entropy is a function of T,V or T,P.
If you still can't recall,
[itex]S=-\frac{\partial G(T,V)}{\partial T}[/itex] and,
[itex]S=-\frac{\partial A(T,P)}{\partial T}[/itex]
 
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Hello Persephone, welcome to PF :smile: !

Could it be as simple as N is constant, hence ##U(S, V, N) = U(S, V)## ?
 
Thanks BvU!
 

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