How to design a radiator to dissipate heat generated by a 39 KW rotary engine?

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The discussion revolves around the design of a radiator intended to dissipate heat generated by a 39 KW rotary engine. Participants explore the calculations needed for radiator size and coolant flow rate, considering the use of lubricating oil for both lubrication and cooling. The conversation touches on efficiency metrics, heat transfer principles, and the challenges of custom design versus off-the-shelf solutions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that no separate coolant is used, proposing the use of lubricating oil for both lubrication and cooling.
  • Another participant suggests that the efficiency of the engine is crucial for determining the waste heat that needs to be dissipated by the radiator.
  • A participant provides a rough approximation that for every kW produced, an additional kW is lost through cooling and heat exhaust, emphasizing the importance of determining the overall heat transfer coefficient.
  • Efficiency figures of the engine are discussed, with one participant claiming a thermal efficiency of 90%, while others challenge this by stating that internal combustion engines typically do not exceed 30% efficiency.
  • Concerns are raised about the relevance of volumetric efficiency in relation to the heat rejection rate required for the oil cooler.
  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the concepts involved in the design rather than opting for a pre-made component.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to identify the maximum temperature of the engine oil to prevent lubrication breakdown.
  • There is a suggestion that enrollment in a mechanical engineering program may be necessary for acquiring the knowledge needed for such a design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the thermal efficiency of internal combustion engines, with some asserting that 90% efficiency is unrealistic. There is no consensus on the best approach to design the radiator, as some advocate for understanding the underlying concepts while others question the feasibility of the proposed efficiency metrics.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for calculations related to radiator size and coolant flow rate, but the discussion lacks specific assumptions or detailed mathematical steps. The conversation also highlights the dependence on definitions of efficiency and the challenges of applying theoretical concepts to practical design.

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No separate coolant is used, instead lubricating oil to be used for both lubrication and cooling of engine. How to calculate radiator size, coolant flow rate?
 
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Roughly how efficient is your engine? That will tell you how much waste heat will have to be dissipated by the radiator per unit time. Why are you designing a radiator instead of using an off-the-shelf component?
 
Nugatory said:
Roughly how efficient is your engine? That will tell you how much waste heat will have to be dissipated by the radiator per unit time. Why are you designing a radiator instead of using an off-the-shelf component?
Efficiency of the engine is calculated as 90% and BSFC is 300 g/KWH. I am using 5W40 oil for this purpose. So that the lubrication can be more efficient even during low temperature.

What do you mean by off-the shelf-component?
 
Somanna said:
Efficiency of the engine is calculated as 90% and BSFC is 300 g/KWH. I am using 5W40 oil for this purpose. So that the lubrication can be more efficient even during low temperature.

IC combustion engines are never 90% efficient, thermally. You are lucky if a small engine is 30% efficient. Are you sure this figure doesn't refer to the volumetric efficiency of the engine, i.e., how well air flows into it?

What do you mean by off-the shelf-component?

You can purchase this item by going into a store and picking it up off the stock shelf, i.e., it's ready made.
 
SteamKing said:
IC combustion engines are never 90% efficient, thermally. You are lucky if a small engine is 30% efficient. Are you sure this figure doesn't refer to the volumetric efficiency of the engine, i.e., how well air flows into it?
You can purchase this item by going into a store and picking it up off the stock shelf, i.e., it's ready made.
Yes, its volumetric efficiency.but then its assumed value. No, I don't want a off the shelf component. I am in a situation where i need to understand the concept and apply the same in design part.
 
Somanna said:
Yes, its volumetric efficiency.but then its assumed value. No, I don't want a off the shelf component. I am in a situation where i need to understand the concept and apply the same in design part.

The volumetric efficiency of this engine is not going to tell you a lot about the heat rejection rate which your oil cooler needs to handle. You also need to identify the max. temperature your engine oil can be in order to prevent lubrication breakdown and damage to the engine.

If you are not already enrolled in a mechanical engineering program, you probably need to be, in order to get the knowledge necessary to design a cooler for this engine.
 

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