What are the design considerations for a heat exchanger for an MX5 sports car?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design considerations for a heat exchanger intended to cool the engine coolant of an MX5 sports car. Participants explore various aspects of the design, including material properties, thermal performance, and the physical dimensions of the heat exchanger, while addressing specific constraints and requirements related to the project.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding thermal properties for a 50/50 mixture of ethylene glycol within the temperature range of 70°C to 110°C.
  • Another participant suggests looking at a specific brochure for various physical and thermal properties of ethylene glycol mixtures.
  • A participant proposes starting with a simple heat balance, assuming known temperatures, or using the NTU method if not all temperatures are known.
  • One participant shares their design solution involving 220 pipes in two separate cores, detailing dimensions and performance with and without fins.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of rectangular pipes instead of round ones, questioning the pressure drop and the type of heat exchanger being designed.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of fins in heat transfer and suggests examining modern vehicle radiators for design insights.
  • A participant acknowledges the improvements made by adding fins but expresses a lack of time for the project, indicating a need for further refinement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the optimal design approach, with various opinions on the shape of the pipes and the effectiveness of fins. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best practices for the heat exchanger design.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific constraints such as the dimensions of the heat exchanger and the required heat removal rate, but there are unresolved questions regarding material properties and the overall thermal performance of the system.

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Students and professionals interested in thermal engineering, heat exchanger design, and automotive cooling systems may find this discussion relevant.

R.C
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Hello,

I have to design a heat exchanger for my uni course and am a little stuck with where to start. I know a little about LMTD and OHTC etc etc. my main starting problem is finding material properties for ethylene glycol, I have tried Engineering Toolbox but for the maximum temperatures I am a little stuck for a 50/50 mixture (the reason it is 50/50 is because of a previous assignment using this ratio). I could do with some pointers on this if any of you could help.

Here is the proposed problem:
"

A heat exchanger design is required to remove heat from the engine coolant of an MX5 sports car. The constraints for the problem are as follows:

  • The space envelope available is 850 mm by 400 mm by 45 mm
  • The coolant enters at 110oC, leaves at 70oC and the exchanger is required to remove 99 kW of heat.
  • The heat is dissipated into atmospheric air traveling at 100 km.h-1 through the heat exchanger.
Aspects of the design that need to be determined are:

  • The material properties and flow rate of the coolant.
  • The size, shape and material for the heat exchanger design.
  • The thermal properties of the coolant, air and solid material.
  • The overall thermal performance of the system."
Also any units as a UK standard please, if you don't mind.

 
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Are you saying that you can't find thermal properties on a 50/50 mixture of ethylene glycol in the temperature range 70C to 110 C?

Chet
 
R.C said:
Hello,

I have to design a heat exchanger for my uni course and am a little stuck with where to start. I know a little about LMTD and OHTC etc etc. my main starting problem is finding material properties for ethylene glycol, I have tried Engineering Toolbox but for the maximum temperatures I am a little stuck for a 50/50 mixture (the reason it is 50/50 is because of a previous assignment using this ratio). I could do with some pointers on this if any of you could help.

Here is the proposed problem:
"

A heat exchanger design is required to remove heat from the engine coolant of an MX5 sports car. The constraints for the problem are as follows:

  • The space envelope available is 850 mm by 400 mm by 45 mm
  • The coolant enters at 110oC, leaves at 70oC and the exchanger is required to remove 99 kW of heat.
  • The heat is dissipated into atmospheric air traveling at 100 km.h-1 through the heat exchanger.
Aspects of the design that need to be determined are:

  • The material properties and flow rate of the coolant.
  • The size, shape and material for the heat exchanger design.
  • The thermal properties of the coolant, air and solid material.
  • The overall thermal performance of the system."
Also any units as a UK standard please, if you don't mind.
Various physical and thermal properties for different ethylene glycol mixtures are contained in this brochure:

http://www.meglobal.biz/media/product_guides/MEGlobal_MEG.pdf

If you seek other references, Google "thermal properties ethylene glycol mix" or similar to find what you want. ;)
 
Ok this is a great start thanks guys. Any suggestions for how I can best approach this problem?
 
R.C said:
Ok this is a great start thanks guys. Any suggestions for how I can best approach this problem?
I have no suggestions. Let's see what you can do first.

Chet
 
First, do a simple heat balance. I am assuming that you have 3 known temperatures... If not then you are going to have to use NTU method to obtain the other two needed temperature values.
 
Ok so my solution came out as 220 pipes in 2 separate "cores". pipes were of dimensions 20mmx2mm (rectangular) and 350mm long with 0.5mm wall thickness. Each pipe had 400 uniform flat fins, 200 per side that extended out 2mm with thickness 0.5mm. Turns out without the fins at an inlet temperature of 30 degrees C my pipes could only remove about 120W of heat, with fins its around 470W. Pretty sure I have gone wrong somewhere...
 
Inlet temperature of the air (cold fluid) that is.
 
Why would you use a rectangular "pipe" ?? Pipes are round. What is the pressure drop thru the unit? Is this a gas to gas exchanger?
 
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Square pipe allows for larger surface area to volume ratio. This was a liquid to gas exchanger.
 
  • #11
No disrepect intended at all...but have you looked at a modern vehicle radiator? I would suggest that you ask yourself what does the most heat transfer - the tubes, the fins, or the tanks? If you haven't already, take a good look at the fins from a radiator. Hint: How many sets of fins are there? How thick are those fins? Good luck with your project!
 
  • #12
Yeah I added fins and it made it work nicely. I'll post the whole solution that I got up soon. Unfortunately I only had a week to do this project alongside other uni committments. Not my finest hour of thermodynamics I'll admit.
 

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