How to Determine a Vector Not in the Range of a Linear Transformation?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the range of a linear transformation, defined by a set of equations, encompasses all of R^3. The original poster attempts to show that the range is not all of R^3 and seeks to identify a specific vector that lies outside this range.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the problem involving a matrix representation of the linear transformation and the process of row reduction. Questions arise regarding the choice of a specific vector and the implications of linear dependence or independence of the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing hints and questioning the reasoning behind specific choices made by the original poster. There is an exploration of the implications of finding a vector not in the range, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correctness of the approach taken.

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Some participants note that linear independence has not yet been covered in their studies, which may affect their understanding of the problem.

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The question asls:Show that the range of the linear operator defined by the equations:
W_1=x_1 - 2*x_2 + x_3
W_2=5*x_1-x_2+3 *x_3
W_3=4*x_1+x_2+2*x_3
is not all of R^3, and find a vector that is not in the range.
Well, we know T
T=[1,-2,1;5,-1,3;4,1,2]
I augment W
and we get
T|W=[1,-2,1,W_1;5,-1,3,W_2;4,1,2,W_3]
I do Reduce Echelon
I get zeros on the bottom
so i get
w_1-W_2+W_3=0
k, well, i chose a vector point, (10,5,6)
i get
10 != -1
not sure if this is correct way of solving it.
 
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If I read your problem correctly, here's a hint. If there is a vector that is not in the range of the transformation, then what does that tell you about the linear dependence or independence of the three equations?
 
we haven't covered linear independence yet.
 
georgeh said:
The question asls:Show that the range of the linear operator defined by the equations:
W_1=x_1 - 2*x_2 + x_3
W_2=5*x_1-x_2+3 *x_3
W_3=4*x_1+x_2+2*x_3
is not all of R^3, and find a vector that is not in the range.
Well, we know T
T=[1,-2,1;5,-1,3;4,1,2]
I augment W
and we get
T|W=[1,-2,1,W_1;5,-1,3,W_2;4,1,2,W_3]
I do Reduce Echelon
I get zeros on the bottom
so i get
w_1-W_2+W_3=0
k, well, i chose a vector point, (10,5,6)
i get
10 != -1
not sure if this is correct way of solving it.

WHY did you choose (10, 5, 6) and HOW did you "get 10 != -1"?
 

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