How to determine the isotherms of given temperature field?

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The discussion revolves around determining the isotherms, or curves of constant temperature, for a given temperature field defined by the equation T = x^2 - y^2 + 8y. Participants explore methods for deriving and graphing these isotherms, as well as the mathematical implications of the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to determine and draw at least five isotherms for the given temperature field.
  • Another participant suggests picking different constant values for T and finding the corresponding relations between x and y, indicating that the equation can be expressed in a more manageable form.
  • A participant explains that for a given temperature C, the points where the temperature equals C can be expressed as x^2 - y^2 + 8y = C, and proposes completing the square to rewrite the equation for easier graphing.
  • Another participant reiterates the definition of isotherm and suggests that it is easier to express the relationship as a function of y.
  • One participant challenges the idea of expressing the relationship as a single function, stating that there may not be such a function available in this case.
  • A later reply adds that there could be two functions involved, implying further complexity in the relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the best approach to derive the isotherms, with some advocating for completing the square and others questioning the feasibility of expressing the relationship as a single function. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective method to graph the isotherms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential complexity in expressing the relationship between x and y, with some suggesting that the equation may not yield a single function. There are also indications that the mathematical steps involved in completing the square and graphing may depend on specific assumptions about the values of T.

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How can I determine the isotherms(curves of constant temperature) of given Temperature field like
T = x^2 -y^2 + 8y.
Also how can I draw at least five isotherms of the above temperature field?
 
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Also how can I draw at least five isotherms of the above temperature field?
Pick at least five different values for T, draw solutions to the equation.
That's the way to get all isotherms. Consider T as constant, find a relation between x and y. Your equation is such a relation, but you can express it in a nicer way.

I don't see a differential equation here.
 
Use the definition of "isotherm". For a given temperature, C, you are points where the temperature is C: x^2- y^2+ 8y= C. Now, if you are asking "how can I write that as a function I know how to graph quickly?", the answer is, as so often for things like this, complete the square.

8/2= 4 and 4^2= 16[/tex] so y^2- 8y= y^2- 8y+ 16- 16= (y- 4)^2- 16<br /> <br /> We can write x^2- y^2+ 8y= x^2- (y^2+ 8y)= x^2- ((y- 4)^2- 16)= x^2- (y- 4)^2- 16 so that x^2- y^2+ 8y= C becomes x^2- (y- 4)^2- 16= C or x^2- (y- 4)^2= C+ 16. To get that to &quot;standard form&quot;, divide through by C+ 16:<br /> \frac{x^2}{C+ 16}- \frac{(y- 4)^2}{C+ 16}= 1<br /> <br /> That is an equilateral hyperbola with center at (0, 4), vertices at (\sqrt{C+ 16}, 4) and (-\sqrt{C+ 16}, 4), and asymptotes y= x+ 4 and y= -x+ 4.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Use the definition of "isotherm". For a given temperature, C, you are points where the temperature is C: x^2- y^2+ 8y= C. Now, if you are asking "how can I write that as a function I know how to graph quickly?", the answer is, as so often for things like this, complete the square.
It is easier to find a function x=f(y).
 
Not when there is NO such function, as here.
 
... or two functions.
 

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